Russians feared to be preparing to destroy Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in their retreat from region

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/22/ukraine-zelensky-zaporiz

Weeks ago Russians destroyed the hydroelectric dam on the Dnipro River, seemingly in an attempt to slow any Ukranian advances in the area by flooding the region, as well as taking out a crossing route the damn provided. This was a cause of concern not just on the human toll of those caught in the flooding that resulted in the breach of the dam, but also because it drained the body of water the Zaporizhzhia nuclear reactors and spent fuel containment needs for regulating the temperatures of the nuclear materials. There is still on site water storage so no meltdown is imminent. Also when Russians took control of the plant last year they cut power from Ukranians used to power the plant, kept it powered from lines on Russia's side and had the energy it produced flowing their way as well.

Recent developments indicate Russia is pulling its troops and the staff that maintain the reactor and the electric grind infrastructure out of their occupied territory, and fears are Russia may attempt to sabotage the facility in their retreat, with plans to blame whatever nuclear disaster might unfold on the Ukranians. They did the same thing with their sabotage of the Nova Kakhovka dam, blamed it on Ukraine, but used it as an opportunity to slow advances of Ukranian forces. They also used it as an opportunity to attack aid workers in region trying to help civilians.

It would appear creating a nuclear reactor disaster will have a similar effect, and no doubt requite a full nationwide mobilization to mitigate the disaster that will have long standing catastrophic consequences. I've no doubt a catastrophe of this magnitude will require a worldwide response, requiring other nations to devote resources within Ukraine borders to assist in mitigating a worsening situation.

There's no saying to what scale any sabotage might occur, and what the effects could be. Perhaps it will be as small as needing to rush to supply the plant with water, which is also likely to occur regardless, maybe fuel for generators and to get the plant powered from the Ukranian side. Worse case though, like if Russian's plant explosives through the plant to detonate on retreat... well, can be worse than Chernobyl, and won't just effect the immediate region, but can carry severe radiological contamination throughout Europe, and cause catastrophic economic damage worldwide.

If there's any question as to whether Putin is that crazy... well, he started this whole war because he was going after Nazis, so yeah, that motherfucker is 💯 batshit crazy.

Interesting thing about Putin is that he apparently doesn't use any form of social media or news other than RT news (which itself is just propaganda that lies through its teeth).

To meet him you need to be isolated for two weeks. Which is why every-time you see him out and about, chances are it's a body double, he has several.

Partly why Wagner attacked as well. The military brass basically just feed him shit. Scared their own head will be on the chopping board so he's consistently fed a distorted reality.

That goes back to the Wagner mutiny. Prigozhin (to his credit even though he's basically a psychopath) was actually at the front-lines. He was seeing first hand the staggering incompetence and masses and masses of Russian loses they have been lying about. By comparison to the Russian military who are full of shit he's quite blunt and straight speaking.

He will have knew from the get go the war was bullshit but wanted something out of it. Most likely the mines in Bakhmut. Instead most of Wagner became decimated an he saw a war they aren't actually winning, reached breaking point actually seeing the reality of the situation.

Be interesting to see if internally Putin is taken out.

But it's is rather hilarious, poetic that in a 3 day war that started with him invading and trying to put in a puppet government, it's actually Putin now in more danger than Zelensky.

This? Not worried. If they did probably turn even China against them.

@uninspiredcup: "But it's is rather hilarious, poetic that in a 3 day war that started with him invading and trying to put in a puppet government, it's actually Putin now in more danger than Zelensky."

It's that part about him seeing his potential demise in near future that leaves me worried he'll resort to more drastic measures. I don't think it'll piss China off all too much unless it effects them directly. Projections show radiological contamination would go in the northwestern directions.

Wonder if NATO will react if it spreads across the border to a NATO country.

@horgen: at very least I expect those that could be effected to offer non-military personnel to assist in containing the disaster, but Putin will likely try to see that as provocation and try to capitalize on that, be it recruit more people to fight in region, or escalate to use of tactical nuclear weapons

If anything, the small time uproar that recently was in Russia showed he had no support for the war.

A nuclear disaster at that power plant would directly hurt a wide region, which I'm guessing includes Crimea and the Donetsk region. Also, as powerful as Putin may be in Russia, not everyone in his army is crazy and there's a point where the chain of command can break. This might just be it.

I hope these dudes were paid well.

Makes sense. China may be against the West but they aren't fucking stupid.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/xi-jinping-personally-warned-putin-150843644.html

@uninspiredcup said:

I hope these dudes were paid well.

How long between those two pictures?

@horgen: Weeks.

Prigozhin was using a body double as well. In his case we can factually determine it as part of his finger is missing.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1674543763409215488

I been hearing more worrying signs, Zelensky saying they've mined the top of the reactors to make it look like they were attacked with artillery fire. It's worrying because I remember when the Russians blew the hydroelectric dam they were warning about that forever to the point I'd almost forgotten about it until it actually happened.

Lately news was that Russia's power lines were no longer providing power to the reactor meaning it's being powered by backup generators. This, along their withdrawal of personnel makes the for a worrying development that they could do something soon.

With Ukraine kicking off a more aggressive phase of their counter-offensive, I would imagine if Russia were to do anything, it could be soon.

On another note it'd be a bad time as many Russians have gone to Crimea for vacationing. If rhe Zaporizhzhia plant was sabotaged and a catastrophic event were to unfold, they could be trapped there, and potentially within the path of any traveling radiological contamination.

Notice the dumbass MAGAS are already claiming "false flag Russia can do no wrong" even though, everything, in the literal history of man, ever, suggests they would.

Pre-emptively doing it as well to purposefully try mitigate any aggression towards Russia.

Mutinous little slugs.

this is the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, right? Or am I thinking of a different plant?

I wasn't aware of that.

When did Russia become the Republicans greatest friend?

@horgen: Use to be quite neutral towards them but now basically just view them a vermin.

Well it's half the country. Your entitled to your views but I see Brits like yourself as absolute cowards. Keyboard warriors rooting for war while virtue signaling at the same time sniffing your own assholes.

Constantly bitching and whining that many americans are not for escalating this war between Ukraine and Russia. You are for "fight to the death untill Russia is defeated!!! No compromise!!"

As you sit on your ass and bitch sharing videos you find on Twitter and reddit.

You don't care enough to fight in the war but you will root and cheer for others to die for it. What a joke.

It's even more pathetic that you have such an interest in American Politics in this conflict. A country your not even apart of. Typical Brit behavior. Constantly rely on America's military for what you want. Use other people's blood for you want.

While at the same time put nothing into your own countries military strength.

Because you guys are just way more intelligent right? You don't have to invest in your Military because you are America's ally?? You can rely on others, because your country is weak ASF.

https://www.youtube.com/live/cEPaNl6nXZk?feature=share

Great listen and interesting insight from a former diplomat.

Russia isn't going to stop until they're forced to stop. Also Russia/Ukraine is NOT a US war. You might want to lay off the youtube videos for awhile.

lol

The video Sargant posted is a dictator supporter and an atrocity war crime denier who appeared on propaganda networks.

For context - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alastair_Crooke

The "Conflicts Forum" founded by Crooke 2004,^[6] has been a consistent advocate for the protection of the Assad regime in Syria, in spite of the extensively documented war-crimes and other atrocities it committed against the Syrian population. These include the use of poison gas to kill civilians, which was verified by the United Nations.^[Thus, Aisling Byrne, a projects coordinator for the "Conflicts Forum", has dismissed documentation of systematic torture used by the Assad regime as ‘a deliberate and calculated campaign to bring down the Assad government' This advocacy of the Assad regime, has led to criticism by Syrian human rights activists, who describe the Conflicts Forum as being "beyond redemption because they have knowingly chosen to adopt a stance that is at variance with the truth.".

Crooke makes frequent appearances on Hezbollah affiliated Al Mayadeen television network. In one such appearance, Crooke vocally defended the policies of Russian president Vladimir Putin vis a vis the Ukraine, and accused NATO of desiring to escalate the conflict.^[17]

Mentioned a few months back when politics existed he was posting Scott Ritter, who is a twice convicted sex offender.

It's a reoccurring theme. Disgraced people, crackpots the Russians view as assets to spout out their talking points. Nato bad. Not us. We aren't going on rape sprees bros. (kill the males)

Notice some irony in him getting upset and projecting at me calling MAGA folk vermin.

Whenever media posts anything progressive, show black people, gay, trans etc.. etc.. Trump supporters will be up in arms, it's an agenda. Woke. An outrage.

They view these groups of people (though they won't say it out loud) as vermin.

They view Ukraine as vermin.

Yet, when literal, unapologetic propaganda for war crimes, facist murderous, rapist regimes committing atrocities (right now as type this), wheeling out literal pedophiles because "some cred" etc... etc.. etc...

That's fine bro. Dope. Grab dat pussy.

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Say vermin was actually incredibly polite.

Magas sure know how to pick them.🤣

Ever since their cult leader sycophantically groveled in front of Putin.

Find it funny you never actually listen to the words the people say when I share them, reason with their ideas, debunk their ideas even. you don't even listen. All that typing, even researching, not on the facts of the main topic being discussed.. but you are more than willing to laser focus on a take this speaker he had years ago on Syria war crimes lol... not related to this story at all.

If you don't like what he's saying in regards to the "bombs planted by Russia on a nuclear power plant" tell me what he said is wrong. Use your sources even idgaf. But you don't even listen. You litteraly don't even know what he's saying because your too much of a coward to listen because you can't argue how he's incorrect. You either just straight up don't know how or can't. But not once do make a single good argument to go against what he's saying.

Where is the evidence of the supposed bombs being rigged on the plant by Russia?? Where TF is this evidence. You seem 100% sure this is fact. So show me some evidence instead of bouncing around like a kangaroo.

There is no evidence of this and the people who inspect the plant say there is no evidence of this. You are a follower of lies.

Show me some real evidence that this is real. Try.

Basically just proving the point. Getting upset again and bending over backwards to defend Russia. Hand waving away everything said because it goes against your confirmation bias under the guise of "free thinking".

Never seen you do this for Ukraine, once.

And no, I'm not watching it. Nor should anyone decent. These are objectively horrible people with nefarious intent. I 100% wish ill on them and hope they get hit by a car. It would actively improve society.

The weird thing as well, you seem very upset about an argument never made. Quite the contrary.

Like, say 6 posts above...

However, others being worried is perfectly understandable.

- Russia have factually used both chemical and nuclear weapons in a NATO country. This isn't debatable, they have.

- Russia has been storing dangerous equipment at nuclear powerplants. We have recorded footage. It's idiotic.

- Russia (and this is admitted by them with evidence) blew up a dam about 10 minutes ago causing an ecological disaster that will take decades to recover from

- They've deliberately and systematically targeted the civilian population

- They have been shown to be an incredibly incompetent army, remarkably so. When they were committing the Butcha massacre half of them were drunk and many have been found to be taking drugs in part due to low morale

- Putin just had a military rebellion

- About 20 thousand Wagner troops have pulled out

Russia is also in extreme trouble. When they started this Ukraine had poultry equipment, now outside of artillery (which has diminished greatly) Ukraine has the superior army and will continue to be supplied. And just become more and more powerful while Russia continues to degrade. Already been shown as using actual WW2 equipment. Outdated tanks that can't even penetrate Leopard tanks with half the range.

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Bet if check those videos spammed for months, be an endless loop of them winging any angle they can to defend Russia and blame Nato. Ignoring all war crimes or just denying them. Inflating what is positive for Russia, deflating what is positive for Ukraine.

Propaganda, essentially. Obviously. Don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that.

My recommendation (won't take that's fine) is to watch or follow vids like these instead of propaganda

These have actual military analysis that try to be as objective as possible. Not just dickheads who love Trump and hate rainbow flags banging their pulpit to defend child rapists while having wanna-be child rapists share air-time.

https://www.youtube.com/@Gametheory101/videos

https://www.youtube.com/@JakeBroe

Yeah, you have no evidence. No video footage, no official government reports. But Zelensky said it in a video. The ultimate Arbiter of truth. It's not like Zelensky would ever lie about something like this! That would be crazy!!

You lost me at trying to say Russia blowing up a dam is proof they rigged bombs to a nuclear power plant... Or an action from the past is proof this is true today??

No I want to see some ACTUAL EVIDENCE.

You keep going back to rainbow flags, has jack shit to do with what we are talking about. Just makes you look like goofball 👍

Anyone with a working brain knows this is Ukraine making things up because they are desperate for more support from NATO. Which fucking sucks for us and Ukraine.

NATOS intelligence will be superior to Ukraine. It's essentially the most powerful army in the world, not just in the sense of bang bang. Esp America, it runs rings around Russia when it comes to intelligence, Russia by comparison is incredibly antiquated.

So what you're saying here, like it's playground tittle-tattle, is just, nonsense.

The reason Ukraine has had so much success with merely a few HIMARS is due to American intelligence. Satellite imagery and such. Russia internal leaks.

Zelensky said they had intelligence. i.e. implication... The press picked up on that falsely as fact and the people who watch, crackpots, right-wing fringe groups who love Putin, tried to milk it like they do with everything. Any angle they can wing.

The post made here comes across as yet another desperate attempt to tar Zelensky, which is what your videos and MAGA etc.. tell you to think, over and over and over and thusly as demonstrated here, parrot.

The ripple effect Russia loves.

Again, never once, seen you tar Putin. Ukraine? yes. Zelensky? Yes. Never once Putin or Russia.

It's almost like their is some, subtext going on here. Related to rainbow flags. Who knows.

TBH seem abit rambly at this point. Guessing just mad at me saying I don't like MAGAS throwing darts at the board hoping for a bullseye.

You are right though, total coward.

This post is so weird. You've just ignored the comment entirely and continued to make up a non-existent argument like, I need to prove something.

You must have got really hammered in politics lol

Like, I'm not even good at at, avoid it barring (debatable) Ukraine but you appear to just be selecting what is good specifically in your mind.

But ignoring the fact I literally said, before you even posted, they would not.

Here is what would actually happen. And again, this is an actual informed and researched guy, not a dumbass MAGA.

Basically, even if they fucked it up, it would be quite mitigated.

Thus, if they wanted to blow it up, they could. It would be minimal stuff.

People (you and me include) are generally quite uninformed about Nuclear Power plants. And those videos you watch, with cretins and pedophiles, genocide deniers etc.. who love Russia, aren't really interested in being objective. It's "what angle can we wing, and feed"

So, even in your made up, magical argument that somehow was forced on me like how a Russian solider forces themselves on a Ukraine, it still equates as nonsensical when actually objectively analyzed by people in the field.

Anymore of this garbo? Really try to avoid this stuff but when it comes to Ukraine always bite.

Again, they should have kept politics in it's own section. Basically the same shit, just moved to here.

Putin is a damn Dictator. He's invading Ukraine. He is former KGB. He is Ruthless.

Why do i need to share videos to show you Putin is Ruthless??? you already know that, I already know that.

That's not the point. I'm critical of my countries involvement. Yes America has greater intelligence communication than both Ukraine and Russia. Yes the only reason Ukraine has held off as well as it has is due to our support. I do no disagree.

But this is because we are looking to damage Russia in this conflict they started with invading Ukraine. Don't for one minute think America is going through all this trouble to save Ukraine lives. NO.

We want this war to go as long as possible. Russia is a global opponent. If we could cause regime change in Russia through this conflict, our government will be very happy!!

Ukraine is being used as a proxy. We are using Ukraine and its people to punish Russia! Ukraine has only one goal, survival, hold their sovereignty. That is not the united states government goal!! Our goal is hurt Russia both domestically and globally. That is why America and NATO will push this conflict to the very end. Not to save Ukraine, but to hurt Russia. Ukraine is the sacrificial lamb. There is an opportunity here to hurt Russia and we will take it. And we don't have to lose our soldiers. Just as Russia and Ukraine were having peace talks Boris Johnson shut it down. No Peace talks. Only war. America government wants it, NATO wants it. Russia and Ukraine will be a war until the last Ukrainian stands. NATO has decided.

But NATO will never let Ukraine join, Ukraine wants nothing more than to join NATO. Would stop being Ukraine vs Russia, but direct war with NATO vs Russia. Ukraines only goal is survival, they are at NATOs mercy right now, take what resources we offer but we will never let you join because this is your war not ours. But Ukraine helps us reach our goals in hurting Russia.

I am not defending Russia. I'm just telling you the reality of the situation and why America is invested. Its not to "save Ukraine".

These people are mentally ill.

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1678462191479955465

Are these polls done solely in the country represented because I can see that. I don't think they're global polls.

He doesn't care about that. His point is homophobia = strong Russia = strong

Even though, about a week ago Putin had Wagner attempt a mutiny where the arms forces wouldn't attack them and people cheered them on the streets.

That, and whatever polls exist in Russia are fabricated. Anyone with a brain cell can figure that out, he knows this, but his audience are pretty brain dead.

Proving exactly the point made above. MAGAS think Russia is a right-wing utopia.

The Russian army regularly launches attacks on civilian infrastructure. They already blew up the dam, cutting water levels down and starving the plant, which I'm sure they were aware of. If they were to cause a nuclear catastrophe in Ukraine, it's like using a nuclear weapon, but not. Putin is desperate. His army is garbage and can't score wins on its own without the help of Wagner. He's facing the threat of mutiny. The army is expending ammunition faster than they can produce. He may authorize the destruction of the power plant simply out of spite.

It's certainly possible. But the risks of doing so are great, as other countries are likely to react.

I don't see neighboring countries or the West reacting passively to the intentional destruction of the largest nuclear power plant in western Europe.

Tucker Carlson happily having a cup of tea with an alleged rapist, who physically assaults woman and sex traffics them after a stint in a Romanian prison.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Pattern.

https://twitter.com/N3RONEWS/status/1679393822638317568

And yea, it actually is as simple as "these guys want freedom", they literally don't want to be part of Russia and are begging to join Nato. They've also seen all the horrible shit Russia has in store for the them.

Kinda disturbing how easily Americans are influenced by this oranged face man.