The US auto group trying to ban BYD

I found this article to be disturbing. It's pathetic that these losers are trying to keep out legitimate competition in the market place and prevent consumers from purchasing more affordable cars, by putting up barriers to legitimate trade. Honestly, I don't give 2 shits if the Chinese government subsidized the company or whatever bullshit excuse they come up with. I believe in free market and capitalism. If the Chinese government subsidized method drives these other auto makers extinct, that just means their system is better. The fatass ceos and the obese union members should piss off. That's just my opinion though. Congress also needs to stay out of this, though from past history, I'm willing to bet the commies put up more barriers and go against free market. That's a bet I'm willing to take. What are your thoughts on this?

https://fortune.com/2024/02/24/chinese-carmakers-evs-mexico-back-door-threat-american-automotive-sector/

If their complaint is that the government subsidized them, the US auto manufacturers can take a long walk off a short pier; the late 2000's might seem like a long time ago, but I remember all but Ford took massive financial bailouts from the US government while taxpayers suffered and car prices increased significantly.

If the Chinese vehicles are good cars and less expensive, then I am all for it.

We've been here before when Japanese vehicles first came to the US as well, and manufacturers adapted; they can do the same with Chinese cars.

Mostly or only electric vehicles coming from China?

They have like 25% tariffs for Chinese cars. If I was American I would not be worried.

if they produce in Mexico, they have to face all the same production infraestructure and costs that American companies that produce in Mexico.

If I was European though, I would definitely expect further de-industralization and then technological dependency.

Like European solar panels. Or the absence of any kind of European solar panels after natively allowing heavily subsided competitions to make their own players go bankrupt

And after the subisides killed the competition: set the prices you want to.

Kind of off topic, but I've never seen a BYD car. I see a lot of Chevrolets around here, which is really unusual for Europe, and the occasional Chrysler too. Strangely, Ford has very little presence compared to the UK and to other EU countries. Lots of Teslas in my city... not sure how representative that is of the rest of Poland currently.

Don't know about tarrifs, nor what to think about import of state-subsidised cars. Will leave those questions to the boffins and eggheads until I'm capable of forming an educated opinion.

They are nothing spectular. BYD HAN look OK imo. Seen a few of them.

yep pathetic hypocrites. I always laugh at the government when they call chinese companies "state sponsored"...yeah with the number of bailouts, and favorable regulations, which US company isn't state sponsored? Just as bad are the unions...it feels like everyone is just pigs on the trough.

I'm personally not a fan of cars..in fact I think we need to build more dense and walkable neighborhoods, build better public transit and in general more closely knit communities. The way of life now, with miles and miles of roads, urban sprawl is just causing all sorts of physical and mental health problems among the population.

So I guess, chinese cars which would be more affordable would be a bad thing? We don't need to make driving more accessible. So I guess maybe uncle sam got it right, and should tarrif the crap out of these chinese evs, for our own good?

can't comment on a paywall article

Nothing legitimate about selling cars at a loss because CCP is subsidizing the costs in order to kill competition.

Why such hate for unions?

I understand why you might disagree with some of their stances on occasion, but the middle class is shrinking and has as little purchasing power and as little pay as they have ever had in history.

Unions are as important now as they were before. Perhaps more so.

Maybe when we cap executive salaries and there are regulations to ensure employees are paid fairly we can talk about unions being unnecessary, but until then...

@blaznwiipspman1: Unfettered capitalism is not a net positive.

They're not going to sell here for a number of reasons, first an foremost is China's complete disregard of intellectual property rights. Secondly, Chinese vehicles only have to meet the standard of being operational for 5 years before reaching a scrapping state, which just wouldn't fly here with our nation's auto standards.

TL;DR they're pieces of shit.

@blaznwiipspman1: the thing is, once a company receives government subsidies you can't really claim it to be truly the free market. It doesn't really matter what government or company we're talking about either.

For the record I have no opinion about BYD cars as I don't know enough about them to make any sort of argument about them. I just think your view of what makes a truly free market should not include government subsidied companies.