Florida doctors can now deny health care coverage based on personal views

well this happen in fl.

https://www.wfla.com/news/politics/florida-doctors-can-now-deny-health-care-coverage-based-on-personal-views/

Private healthcare, the best in the world, right?!

The GOP gets more and more dangerous to America every single day.

they do and atm this is a issue for my healthcare.

What's that about death panels?

How would this be an issue for your care?

So 3rd wordly lol. GOP is nuts.

brain related issue.

GOP is literally killing Americans by choice and legislation, and that's not hyperbole or me being dramatic.

It's bad enough that insurance won't really cover preventative care and in many cases you literally need to be dying from something before they will cover you, no no no...now some doctors won't even treat you!

Been saying this for years, and even I think it's sometimes dramatic, but we are backsliding into feudalism. That seem truer with each and every day.

I only hope the folks that say the GOP is in a death spiral are right, and that they don't take the whole country down with them. But then again, maybe we deserve to go down, if people keep voting for the GOP.

What makes you think your current healthcare provider would no longer provide treatment for a "brain related issue?"

It's like none of the leftist in this forum decided to read the article and instead just decided to have unhinged meltdowns.... typical.

New Florida laws ban COVID mandates, allow health care to be denied (tampabay.com)

• Prohibits businesses, government agencies and schools from requiring people to be vaccinated or tested for COVID-19 as a condition of employment.

• In addition to the pandemic-related bill, DeSantis also signed a measure (SB 1580) that will give health care providers the right to opt out of certain services based on a “conscience-based objection.” The bill would not apply, for example, to emergency services that are required under state or federal law.

I read the OPs article among others regarding this DeSantis stupidity, from "High" fact sources. What are we getting wrong here? The first part is clear anti-vaxxing lunacy. The second part seems to be accurate for both titles from Tampabay Times and WFLA.

This seems very low IQ like a lot of DeSantis other 3rd world shenanigans.

I think if you give them the option, they might let their subjective opinion override their educated opinion. Someone that could have a serious physical problem with their "brain related issue" might be dismissed by a doctor that believes the patient is just making it up. If the doctor is free to act on their beliefs, then there is no accountability for the doctor.

There is a higher-than-normal rate of narcissistic personality disorder and psychopathy among doctors*, especially surgeons, and I think when you take a demographic that already plays god but are more or less mandated to help people, but then you remove that mandate and essentially say "You can do whatever you believe", you open up a whole can of worms.

I'm sure the flag-waving freedom crowd will hate this, but I don't think we can give doctors the choice to not treat someone: if a patient comes in needing assistance, the staff should have to help them. Even if the patient is a cat-murdering Satanist that ran over a puppy.

Obviously this is a rare scenario and I'm taking it to it's worst possible conclusion, but we're already seeing doctors refusing to treat people for fear of legal action; what about when they simply have a choice to not do it for any reason?

*I'm not generalizing or talking shit, I'm just saying there is more risk here than with the standard population.

This is just part of the recent trend where Republicans pass laws/policies and then claim no one is affected by those laws/policies.

Why enact laws that affects no one?

@horgen: They always do, but by implying that they don't affect anyone they can have their cake and eat it, too. For awhile.

Eventually we find out that, surprise!, it does affect someone at which point they shrug and say, "it's the law!"

They did the same thing with the decision to overturn Roe. It partially/temporarily insulates them from the responsibilities of their crappy decisions.

Who the f believes them when they claim the laws affects no one? Who is that gullible?

MAGAs.

Even they know their laws negatively effect people, that's why they do it. To screw over people they don't like. But on the internet/debate stage they pretend there are more altruistic motives and that there won't be negative effects.

A great example of this is voter suppression. "Guyz c'mon it won't hurt anyone! We're doing it for voting integrity! This won't effect anyone!" Meanwhile leaked GOP documents show them loving the fact it will (and did) suppress votes.

“We want our physicians practicing evidence-based medicine. We don’t want to defer and just follow the herd,” DeSantis said."

"The policy gives insurers and health care providers the ability to deny medical services that are against their moral religious or ethical beliefs."

I read it, these are the most relevant excerpts. DeSantis has the nerve to use the term "evidence-based", yet signs into law something that affords healthcare providers the ability to deny care that is against their moral, religious, or ethical beliefs. Which, are by nature, NOT evidence based. Great, so let's not "follow the herd", which is based on objective scientific metric, and instead deny care predicated upon each subjective discretion, largely based on bronze-age beliefs and bigotry.

What more is to be taken from this article that you claim people aren't reading before melting down?

Which is weird because the far right's stance on vaccines appears to be opposite of this.

This has nothing to do with vaccines.

It was signed along side this and clearly opposes the quoted viewpoint. Apparently they don't really care about evidence based medicine. The first sentence of the OP's link,

TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — Gov. Ron DeSantis signed four pieces of legislation into law that he says will protect Floridians from medical mandates like masks and vaccines during the pandemic.

This isn't exactly surprising. DeSantis and others in FL are an anti-vaxxing freakjobs,

• DeSantis calls for grand jury to investigate Covid-19 vaccines - POLITICO
• Florida county Republican Party votes to ban the COVID-19 vaccine - CBS Miami (cbsnews.com)
• DeSantis pushes to make Covid-19 changes permanent - POLITICO

am in the minority of patients that he sees that have said issue. in my small county.

on top of that. his office has been book almost every day this year.

Yet studies show Florida handled Covid better than most states 🤷‍♂️. Seems like he wasn't a whackjob at all.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/states-of-covid-performance-economic-schools-study-working-paper-lockdowns-11649621806

Regardless this has nothing to do with Covid and more to do with allowing doctors the right to deny adolescents hormone blockers. It has nothing to do with Emergency Room situations so this is more hysterical nonsense from the left.

That economist study includes education and economy. Looking purely at the health outcomes FL did not do well (he did say evidence based MEDICINE):

• Associations between governor political affiliation and COVID-19 cases, deaths, and testing in the United States - PMC (nih.gov)
• For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later - ABC News (go.com)
• COVID-19 Mortality by State (cdc.gov)
• States ranked by COVID-19 death rates (beckershospitalreview.com)

Ron DeathSentence ever claiming "evidence based medicine" for anything is a joke:

• DeSantis calls for grand jury to investigate Covid-19 vaccines - POLITICOFlorida county Republican Party votes to ban the COVID-19 vaccine - CBS Miami (cbsnews.com)
• DeSantis pushes to make Covid-19 changes permanent - POLITICO
• Florida surgeon general altered key findings in study on Covid-19 vaccine safety - POLITICO

The whole anti-vaccing thing didn't do FL any favors. He was objectively in the wrong for vaccines. What negative impacts would masks and more importantly vaccines have to the economy and education?

The first sentence of the TC's link says otherwise.

DeSantis shouldn't be making contradictory claims when signing multiple bills. Other bills he signed that same hour go against "evidence based medicine" as he put it.

Uh here's a Tampa article comparing Florida to other states September of last year. Florida didn't fair well.

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2022/09/09/floridas-tough-covid-summer-now-what-editorial/

It's a textbook red-herring. He's linking economical studies.

Ron DeathSentence ever claiming "evidence based medicine" for anything is a joke. This is like Trump talking about "evidence based climate science" while rolling back climate policy and firing EPA scientists for telling the truth.

It wasn't just economics although it was factored into the study. Regardless anyway you cut it Florida seemed to do fine all things considered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/why-major-study-argues-floridas-covid-death-rate-compares-favorably-to-californias/%3famp=1

The study argues that while Florida’s death rate per 100,000 was higher than California’s, it would actually be lower than the Golden State’s if all states had the same age and health characteristics of the country as a whole.

Basically Florida has more old people that's why more died compared to others.

Regardless since you are going off topic I will reiterate this has nothing to do with Covid.

I don't think hormone therapy for 13 year olds is evidence based. Thats what this bill refers too.

Someone didn't read. There is a way to compare deaths taking population into context. Florida failed.

Again, that study goes into economy, education, race inequality, social, etc. We're only looking at "evidence based medicine" for Desantis's antivaxxing, not evidence based economics, racial inequality (wait you believe in this now?), and education.

Unless you just look at health outcomes.....

• Associations between governor political affiliation and COVID-19 cases, deaths, and testing in the United States - PMC (nih.gov)
• For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later - ABC News (go.com)
• COVID-19 Mortality by State (cdc.gov)
• States ranked by COVID-19 death rates (beckershospitalreview.com)

Furthermore, vaccines weren't the reason for any reduced economic or educational outcomes. His stance on vaccines went against evidence based medicine.

• DeSantis calls for grand jury to investigate Covid-19 vaccines - POLITICOFlorida county Republican Party votes to ban the COVID-19 vaccine - CBS Miami (cbsnews.com)
• DeSantis pushes to make Covid-19 changes permanent - POLITICO
• Florida surgeon general altered key findings in study on Covid-19 vaccine safety - POLITICO

The first sentence of the TC's article,

TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — Gov. Ron DeSantissigned four pieces of legislation into lawthat he says will protect Floridians from medical mandates like masks and vaccines during the pandemic.

DeSantis is not using evidence based medicine when it comes to vaccines. Including a batshit bill he signed alongside this one. This is a fact.

The study clearly states that the health outcomes had more to do with the health/age of people in the state. Ron DeSantis is also not Anti Vax. He is simply stating a government cannot mandate what is put into your body.

That seems pretty reasonable.

Regardless we know what this is really about .

The policy gives insurers and health care providers the ability to deny medical services that are against their moral religious or ethical beliefs.

The law has been met with fierce criticism from the LGBTQ+ community.

Gee I wonder why? Is giving hormone blockers to 12 year olds " evidence based medicine " ?

Uhhh....

Anti-vaxxer Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

:a person who opposes the use of some or allvaccines, regulations mandating vaccination, or usually both

That's literally anti-vaxxing. It's what it always was before Covid politicized the common sense term. Whenever a parents group fought against MMR School mandates prior to 2020 they were always called anti-vaxxers.

• Why there's more to the anti-vaxxing narrative than meets the eye (prospectmagazine.co.uk)
• History of the Anti-Vaccine Movement (verywellhealth.com)

Also,

• DeSantis calls for grand jury to investigate Covid-19 vaccines - POLITICOFlorida county Republican Party votes to ban the COVID-19 vaccine - CBS Miami (cbsnews.com)
• What really happened with Covid-19 in Florida under Ron DeSantis - Vox

DeSantis’s surgeon general is accused of manipulating data to justify an anti-vaccine agenda. How did we get here?

That's straight anti-vaxxing nonsense. The panel even had some of the most cooky anti-vaxxing nuts. They made fake studies on the vaccine as well. This bill he signed in the TC is anti-vaxxing lunacy.

Some of it, not all of it. My study clearly shows (R) Gov governing contributing to that 38% high death rate. Also going against vaccines in a State with more elderly is very stupid. I wonder how many deaths caused that.

The Right’s Anti-Vaxxers Are Killing Republicans (theintercept.com)

This entire 4 bill signing in the OP was a sham. DeSantis is a freak.

Isn’t treating HIV and AIDS considered against some people beliefs?

@horgen: Only if they're unscrupulous monsters.

So, yes.

The previous vice president butchered the response in his state, didn’t he? When he was governor…?

Mike Pence was his name?

Okay, just to confirm, the reason you think your healthcare provider will no longer provide treatment for a brain related issue is because you are in the minority of patients that have said issue in your small county, and the healthcare provider's office has been booked almost every day this year?

its more then that. Another health reason that i do want to keep private.

it also does not help fl has a very poor health record in terms of medical cost and such.

blue cross of fl is terrible. worthless in fact.

@zaryia:

DeSantis calls for grand jury to investigate Covid-19 vaccines - POLITICOFlorida county Republican Party votes to ban the COVID-19 vaccine - CBS Miami (cbsnews.com)

That's straight anti-vaxxing nonsense. The panel even had some of the most cooky anti-vaxxing nuts. This bill he signed in the TC is anti-vaxxing lunacy.

Red Herring, DeSantis did not approve the bill to ban the vaccine. That is a seperate bill from this.

Not a red-herring. I was talking about the first link. This wasn't the bill I was using for just DeSantis. Here are my examples of DeSantis' anti-vaxxing:

• DeSantis calls for grand jury to investigate Covid-19 vaccines - POLITICO
• What really happened with Covid-19 in Florida under Ron DeSantis - Vox

• Florida doctors can now deny health care coverage based on personal views | WFLA

And then yesterday he signed the following bill along side the weirdo personal objection bill:

TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) — Gov. Ron DeSantis signed four pieces of legislation into law that he says will protect Floridians from medical mandates like masks and vaccines during the pandemic.

Which goes against his claim,

“We want our physicians practicing evidence-based medicine. We don’t want to defer and just follow the herd,” DeSantis said."

The above is false. DeSantis is an anti-vaxxer and doesn't care about evidence based medicine. This is entirely political theater.

Is it really though?

@horgen: Yeah, he had "apprehensions" about preventative measures to reduce spread among drug users.

"It might encourage them to continue using drugs," seems like an objection that only a moron would consider sound, yet here we are.

Yes, definitely do not give out any private health information but I was more curious on what leads you to believe your healthcare provider would refuse to provide treatment to you. For example, past language or statements to you or perhaps actions/statements you've witnessed yourself, or from family members or close friends. Blue Cross is a national company and they have local offices in my region, but I too have not heard great things about their level of care.