Baldur's Gate 3 so good, devs are in panic mode, apparently.

In this instance, gotta agree with IGN. A lot of devs should be ashamed, with or without BG3 and its pretty much perfect launch, not to mention the game itself, which is GOTY material, to say the least. The argument is that the game raises the standards for AAA rpg's. Which it does. Lots of devs need to take notice, and up their game.

Anyway, so good to see this game being a commercial success. Selling like hotcakes. PC gamers voting with their wallets in the best possible way.

No woke, go broke. These devs know whats up. I had to buy a couple copies to help support the woke movement.

Reminds me when Elden Ring came out and Ass Creed and HZD developers were having meltdowns on twitter.

You inspire me.

Agreed. Bear fucking is the future.

Just sad that xbses is holding back the xbsex release date.

Just came in here to say this. Didn't realize woke meant bear-fucking. It absolutely is the future.

There are advantages to having your game be in early access for years. Massive gameplay testing.

Shitty devs are scared they can't be as shit anymore, this is a good thing.

It does have bugs and has been in early access for three years. Starfield better not get any points deducted for having some bugs. 😐

BG3 released in a FAR better state than any Todd game ever has, it's not even close. Starfield also started development a year earlier than BG3. Cope.

From what i'm hearing, they really should be. All that early access with devs actually paying attention, then releasing a remarkably good game should be lauded, and it has been.

Wait, BG3 is woke? I haven't started my Steam copy yet. Might refund it. Thanks for the heads up!

that shot of tlou on pc lol.

on topic: love to see stuff like this.

fromsoft releasing a closed network test for elden ring four months before it was due to launch. now that is confidence in your product. hype levels go off the charts. both consumer and fromsoft win and the game goes onto be a mega hit embarrassing the incumbent aaa cowboys in the process. great to see bg3 grab that baton and run with it

edit: @Pedro that is a fair point

Don't worry, Bethesda always gets a free pass on bugs. For example, Skyrim launched in such an unfinished state that the main focus of the game, the dragons, didn't actually function properly (they kept flying backwards or going immortal). One of the major towns even had a massive void in the centre of it. There were massive immersion-breaking bugs behind every corner, and clearly the game was rushed out the door without adequate testing - but it somehow became one of the highest rated games of all time.

Anyway, BG3 is vastly more stable than the typical Bethesda launch. Its bugs come from the reality of launching with 600+ abilities and a bazillion reactive parts of quests and conversations, many of which were outside of the EA build. Meanwhile, Starfield's bugs will be because Bethesda can't figure out how to prevent the player falling through the floor every couple of hours.

(lol)

Crazy shit in Baldur's Gate is nothing new.

Lol all the shitty devs are in tears because an AAA game doesn’t have any mtx and shits all over their games….

just sad ps5 soc are holding back ps5 profit margins....

yeah only way to make ps5 soc profitable . is allow the failed soc to be sold by amd to other products....

it was bleeding money from sony. before that.

that what xbxses is. the failed soc repackage for another console.

Yeah it's been funny reading all those posts, articles, and opinions.

It's a pretty sorry state of affairs when a really great, amazing game delivers on the hype and a lot of the game industry goes "Please don't expect this kind of quality from us! Larian/BG3 is the exception, not the rule" etc.

I suppose I get that sentiment, but shouldn't you strive towards the stellar exception? I mean, maybe not expect it...but try.

And of course the unspoken truth to all of this isn't "We can't make games like that", the truth is that they're saying they aren't allowed to make games that good. Stockholders wouldn't like a microtransaction-free game that does its job well. They want a piece of shit people will suckle on for years as they're drip-bled dry of money. They don't want to make a one-and-done Baldur's Gate 3; they want to make a Destiny or a WoW or a Call of Duty.

It's all just damage control from an industry that is full of a lot of talented people that are forced to make shit.

Was frankly really depressing seeing people bandwagon onto that line of thought.

But kudos to anyone that argued against it.

It's not fucking "woke", jesus H christ...

I know one or all of you were joking, but many people are not.

@mrbojangles25: Lol, definitely joking bruh. BG3 is certainly not woke.

Well there are some that need to improve things but there are also developers that do put out quality games as well still.

Anyway I am very much looking forward to getting this game when the PS5 version launches next month. Did very much enjoy Baldur’s Gate I and II on the PC back in the day.

enjoyed divinity original sin 2 so I will be picking this up once its discounted. probably will go for PS port as been playing a lot of GameCube stuff on PC lately.

Decided to get this on PS5. Excited for release!

@nod_calypse:

Pffft! I strongly doubt any AAA dev is actually panicking. This whole IGN vid was mainly hyperbole lip service for advertising Balders Gate 3. It's pretty obvious even though the game DOES look cool. The day devs will REALLY BE in panic mode will be the day we all stop buying those microtransactions. And honestly speaking, I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Well, maybe BG3 is the game that wakes up gamers enough to get them to stop paying for microtrans.....

....yeah, probably not.

@nod_calypse:

Kudos to the game though! No microtransactions is a good selling point.

Definitely. At the very least, it sends a message to the industry.

This game has reached a 97 on metacritic. It's nice to see a game with no microtransactions do this well.

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/baldurs-gate-3

Make a game well, and fill it withi love, and you get a superb product. I hope devs learn a lesson to fill their games with the game they want to make, not what they believe will make them cash.

I got bad news for ya. Look at the culture wars meltdown on the steam forums for BG3. Reactionaries making thread after thread whining about being hit on by a guy. Other people whining about racial representation and so on. Another person moaning about polyamorous relationships. Pretty hard to actually discuss the game because the steam forums are flooded with this crap. Pretty sure soem of these people are joking, but yeah, some people are definately serious. And take thier political values too far.

Remember the Politician trait in Divinity Original Sin 1 that reduce your intelligence by 1 point? Now that I have seen the stuff above, that intelligence reduction point makes so much more sense. Larian were spot on.

@xhawk27: BG3 has literally zero bugs. Its arguably the most 'flawless' game not made by Naughty Dog, Kojima Productions or Rockstar North. its S-tier level of polish.

Say what you want about Nintendo's studios but I've never ran across a single bug in a Mario or Zelda game.

@theam0g: Oh yeah for sure. I don't play a lot of Nintendo games (I have about 30 hours in Zelda BOTW) but I do consider them S-tier developers as well. they're technically flawless which is such a shame that they still use PS3-gen hardware. Would love to see Ninty games and their polish in 2023 hardware.

I watched that vid yesterday, thought he made a good point.

It feels like developers these days optimize for engagement rather than fun. When a developer comes around with the correct prioritize it does make the rest look foolish. As it should…

I dunno how well BG3 has sold but Tears of the Kingdom sold over 10 million copies on day 3 and...

There is a lot of incomplete data here, and this correlation does not necessarily translate to sales. But based on the data points we do have, I think it is extremely likely this game has sold at the very least 5 million copies, maybe 10+ million by now. Should at the very least sell 12 million copies in its lifetime.

Either way, Larian deserves this success. In a sea of soulless games, they make games full of passion.

@mrbojangles25: inclusive character creation and gay characters are enough to make dumb conservatives angry about the game being woke.

I knew some of y'all were closet furries.

This. So much this.

wasn't paying attention to this game at all until this thread made me check the meta score.

GODDAMN! 97? So it's almost certainly GoTY given Diablo 4's tumultuous endgame. Is Zelda its only competition?

@adrian1480: Yup. Unless something comes outta left field, it's gonna be a slugfest between Zelda and BG.

I must check this out. I kinda forgot, but I know older gamers (40+) that literally built rigs just to play this game. Old school guys that grew up on D&D. As that hasn't been my scene, I didn't put 2 and 2 together until now. I really didn't know BG was this big or this good. I feel a little embarrassed, tbh.

😋

BG3 is so good these same "gamers" and "content creators" use to call BG3 a early access scam a few years ago.....my my times change and people try to forget.

I've owned BG3 since almost day 1 in EA cause I'm a Baldurs Gate fanboy and its funny to see these people who bashed BG3 for just being another overpriced EA game is amusing to say the least.

BG3 could have released when they did the Berserker release/patch 7 last year and it would still be better than 90% of the games out there.

I thought this was a good take on the subject:

In short, asking an industry to keep up with BG3's phenomenal standards likely wouldn't go over very well, and they'd likely screw it up and place unreasonable burdens of game developer staff.

Extrapolating on this idea, we've seen this play throughout the years in an exact same fashion. Just looking back in 7th gen and Call of Duty, it was such a phenomenal hit with its online MP, everybody abandoned the well crafted SP experience to have a baked in MP mode that sucked up substantial developer resources and in the end people had games with both mediocre SP and MP modes. And kept failing, but everyone kept trying anyways, trying so hard many went out of business trying. Then came season passes. Then the live service space took off and everyone wanted a piece of it after some phenomenal successes gave other publishers the idea they can make buttloads of cash making their own games live service titles ridden with microtransactions, then they'd go half ass them and they'd be dead months after launch. Do we really think the AAA industry can learn a thing here?

"I want shorter games with worse graphics who are paid more to work less and I'm not even kidding"

Same. Luigi's Mansion 3 was a masterpiece. It wasnt a bloated mess, and every aspect was oozing with love and care.