Thanks Byshop, I appreciate the reply. Now before you get into the bulk of what I wrote, I'm sensing a lot of subjectivity and ambiguity in a matter where I think rules can be objectively applied to prevent a sense of partisan censorship in the GS community. Reading your post, the basis for you closing my thread was that you disagree with me and my source. AFAIK disagreeing with a thread isn't grounds for closing it. I wasn't even being half as aggressive about my opinion as you are currently being about yours.
So let's address this
your thread was miles off from what you claim is your goal.
I appreciate that you're trying to regulate the community. But I know what my goals are with my threads. It's not your place to say for me that I'm trolling, or race-baiting, or anything of the sort. It's your job to provide evidence that I'm doing that, but in my opinion you've failed to cite anything concrete to back up your opinion that my goal was anything other than to have an honest discussion on the subject.
The thread about Jeremy Joseph Christian is in relation to the fatal stabbing of two people who were defending two Muslim women who were being harassed by a man yelling racial slurs. Whether you personally believe he's actually a white supremacist or not, the hate speech would go a long way towards suggesting that race and/or religion were a factor in the attacks
Here's the game you're playing, "the person in your article was racist, the person in the other article was mentally ill, and my opinion is fact".That's the debate, dude. Your opinion isn't fact. You can't take your political opinion, pretend it's fact, and then use it as the basis for shutting down threads. There's a mountain of evidence to support that Joseph Christian was mentally ill, but I don't see the evidence showing the person in my article was mentally ill. If that evidence exists, then argue it.
The problem with your thread is that you went out of your way to take a crime where a black attacker killed a white victim and declare it racially motivated where none of the news sources, nor the police, suggested that race had anything to do with it.
My thread was based on and cited an article as a source that focused not on just the murder but the media cover-up of the racial angle of this story. I'm allowed to use any articles I want that follow the TOS (which mine did). Just because my source isn't one you'd use - doesn't make it race-baiting. My source isn't racially focused but focused on the narratives peddled by the media. Furthermore, I don't see a rule preventing me from sharing my interpretation of the story. I wasn't insulting anyone, making generalizations about race, etc. but discussing my interpretation of what I thought most likely happened.
This is where I'm not sensing honesty on your behalf. What you're doing is pinning the topic exclusively on the subject of the murder, when my topic was actually about the media's interpretation and censorship of the murder.
From my very thread....
And why is the media trying so hard to ignore the racial angle of the story? Seems like they're always extremely focused on any possibility of racism if the races are flipped (black victim, white perpetrator).
Do you not see the irony of closing a thread that's about the control of the flow of information? You're purporting my thread was exclusively about one thing when the text in the content of the threads suggests was if anything about something else.
Additionally, you went on to suggest that race was the only likely motive even though there's nothing to support that and you then went even further when you suggested that someone who disagreed with you on your logic was racist.
Thanks for your opinion on the subject Byshop, but had you read my article,there is evidence to support it. Just because you disagree with me or my interpretation of the evidence doesn't mean it's race baiting.
I'm allowed to think people have racist opinions on something. I'm not randomly going around calling people racist. That "somebody who disagreed" refused to acknowledge the context to which would lead to the someone to possibly think the situation could have been racist, and all I said for refusing to acknowledge that there's possibly a racist context of the situation was "Maybe you have some racism in you as well?". I didn't call the user racist. I posted an open-ended question that was suggestive but also open to interpretation.
And that's the best evidence you have that I was race-baiting? I don't think disagreeing on the subject of racism automatically count's as race-baiting.
Even if the races were flipped in your article, it would have gotten the same treatment because the thread reads like someone trying desperately to make race the culprit even though the data doesn't support it.
That's your opinion and doesn't serve as basis for closing the thread.
You're being dishonest here and building a strawman. You're the one taking the hard stance, desperately saying the race isn't the culprit of this article. All I said was that based on evidence, it seems likely that it was the culprit.
You : desperately opposed to the idea that race was the culprit.
"it definitely wasn't race and you're ridiculous for thinking so"
Me: open to the idea that race might likely be the culprit
"seems like race could have been the main factor"
See the difference between your interpretation and the reality of the thread? You're the one desperately pushing your interpretation. Not me.
And now you're in here asking why we can't "have intellectual, honest discussions about the state of racial relations". The answer is that our members can, but your thread was miles off from what you claim is your goal. Even the bulk of the community members who replied to your thread told you that you were reaching pretty badly on that one.
The bulk of people who disagreed with me have a fundamentally different world-view than me. Just because people have disagreements on a subject doesn't mean the subject shouldn't be discussed.
Just because you don't agree with someone on a subject doesn't mean you should be able to close their threads and attribute it to trolling or race-baiting. I mean, you're obviously going to what you do - but people here (who don't necessarily agree with your worldview) see what you're doing.
"have intellectual, honest discussions about the state of racial relations"
We were having an honest discussion until you closed it because it didn't jive with your opinion on the subject. People can see that I put effort into my posts, I explain my positions, and have a fairly cohesive ideology that I preach on these subjects.
Closing threads on the basis that you disagree with them isn't encouraging honest discussions.
Should I expect you close all my threads pertaining to racial issues because you simply disagree with them? You still haven't said one specific thing I did that warranted the closure of the thread. You just shared your opinion, and maintained it's importance over mine. But I don't think the importance of your opinion is self-evident outside of your "mod" badge, and I don't think mod's should be arbitrarily using rules to enforce their opinions over other users.
Most importantly of all, you still haven't said what I could have done to post that thread. What am I supposed to do...not have or share an opinion because it disagree with yours? How do I post that thread without it being a problem for you?
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