Has Putin won?

Why are you citing Tucker? He's literally fake.

The Legal Defense For Fox's Tucker Carlson: He Can't Be Literally Believed : NPR

The same for almost every other country that donates to Ukraine as well.

But hey the ultra nationalist Sargent doesn't want to support his own military.

I remember seeing this years ago, no more true than now.

The far right parodies themselves at this point.

And ya, Tucker is a literal liar and propogandist. Dude had Alex Jones on his show this past week, that's how bad he is.

@sargentd: If you think the Russian government is going to honest and upfront about their original intentions I have a bridge to sell you.

Few times I have seen such levels of naivety.

Look at their actions: they have annexed 4 oblasts, they continue to attack, their requirements for peace are not "stay away from nato", it's "accept the new territorial realities".

Honestly, It doesn't get more obvious than this.

Well that's a problem.

If 2 nations are at war and you refuse to listen the country invading in any aspect. You are setting yourself up to have no clear understanding of why they are invading in the first place. You have no intention of knowing anything. Ironically your naitivity is much more intense. You don't even want to hear what they are saying. (They are evil, we dont want to know anythi g they are saying, we will only listen to the narrative opposing them) You are literally opting out of even listening to the other side. You don't have to agree with them, you can think they are wrong, but many peopke refuse to listen at all. That is much more dangerous then having an open mind and hearing out all sides involved in such conflict.

Oh and BTW there was a peace deal being worked on last year, where Russia wanted chimera recognized as part of Russia and for Ukraine to stop bombing eastern Ukraine and for them to agree to not join Nato.

Boris from the UK visited Ukraine and had those peace talks shut down immediately.

He's no longer in power.

But I guess... let's see how that works out

@nirgal:

Russia was “ready to end the war if we took neutrality,” Ukraine’s former top negotiator confirmed, but Boris Johnson said, “let’s just fight.”

Russia was ready to end the war and withdraw its troops in exchange for Ukrainian neutrality just a few months after the invasion began and was refused partly because of ex-British PM Boris Johnson, who pressured Kyiv into continuing the fight, David Arahamiya, the leader of Ukraine’s ruling party confirmed in a recent interview, published on Friday, November 24th.

The lawmaker is not only leading the parliamentary faction of Zelensky’s Servant of the People party but was also appointed as the head of the Ukrainian delegation during the initial, tentative peace talks in March and April, hosted by Turkey.

Russia’s ultimate goal was to press Ukraine into neutrality, Arahamiya explained, adding that all other requests (like the elusive ‘de-nazification’) were essentially empty cosmetics, and neutrality would have been enough for Russia to agree to withdraw beyond the February 24th frontlines.

They [Russia] were ready to end the war if we took neutrality—as Finland once did—and made commitments that we would not join NATO. This was the key point.

According to Arahamiya, there were several reasons for Ukraine’s refusal, and one of them was direct Western influence on the peace talks.

The lawmaker recalled that while the negotiations between Kyiv and Moscow were underway in Istanbul, Johnson unexpectedly arrived in Kyiv on April 9th, 2022, telling Zelensky that he

shouldn’t sign anything with them at all—and let’s just fight.

Furthermore, Aramahiya noted, such an agreement would have needed to modify the constitution first (since it contains the desire to join NATO). The third point was that Kyiv didn’t trust Moscow to hold up its end of the bargain and not invade again—especially not without international security guarantees.

Nonetheless, the timeline suggests that these issues might not have played as big of a role in the refusal as the British prime minister did, as both governments kept the talks open until early April. Russia repeatedly signaled a willingness to hammer out a peace deal, while Ukraine obviously remained interested because otherwise, it would’ve left the negotiation table.

Officially, Ukraine left the peace talks because of the discovery of the Bucha massacre after the Russian army withdrew from the Kyiv area. However, the bodies of the murdered civilians in Bucha were discovered on April 1st, while the talks continued until after Johnson’s surprise trip.

On April 12th, just three days after Johnson’s visit to the Ukrainian capital, Putin publicly declared the peace talks to be over, saying the negotiations “turned into a dead end.”

Estimates put the military deaths on both sides to nearly 200,000 with over 300,000 wounded in the conflict so far—the vast majority of which might have been avoided if the peace talks had continued.

lol Russia media praising Republicans......

'Well done gramps': See Russian state media praise McConnell and GOP | CNN

OOF.

@sargentd: where is the source of that?

This one:?

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-offered-end-war-if-ukraine-dropped-nato-bid-kyiv-official-1847373

According to this Newsweek article,it comes directly from the x account of the Russian embassy in the UK.

But even in this article, the reason of the rejection of the deal is not attributed to Boris Johnson but to

1. Lack of trust in Russian willingness to keep it's promises

2. Additional requirements for Ukraine to recognize the invaded Territories as Russian.

I could only find one source of the non paraphrased complete quote:

https://mythdetector.ge/en/manipulation-as-if-arakhamia-said-that-the-deal-with-russia-failed-because-of-boris-johnson-s-position/

About the proposed deal:

“They were hoping almost to the end to put pressure on us to sign such a document and accept neutrality. It was a big deal for them. They were ready to end the war if we, like Finland once did, would accept neutrality and pledge not to join NATO. In fact, that was the main point. All the rest are cosmetic and political “additions” to denazification, the Russian-speaking population, and blah blah blah…” Arakhamia said.

About the answer:

“First of all, in order to agree to this point, you have to change the constitution. Our aspiration towards NATO is written in the constitution. Also, there is no trust in the Russians that they will do this. This would only be possible if there were security guarantees. We couldn’t sign something, go away, everybody there would breathe a sigh of relief, and then they would come more prepared, because in fact, when they invaded, they were unprepared for such resistance. We could only work on this when we were 100% sure that this [intrusion] would never happen again. However, there is no such belief.

About western advice:

“In fact, they advised us not to agree to Russia’s ephemeral guarantees, which were impossible to give then.” –

This also has to be understood in the context that this is the second invasion of Ukraine in less than 10 years. So a requirement of security guarantees before accepting another peace agreement (after Minsk) makes a lot of sense.

@sargentd: also when it comes to listening to Russia, there is listening to what they claim they want, and listening to their actual public requirements for peace :

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kremlin-russia-open-ukraine-talks-wont-give-up-annexed-regions-2023-02-28/

"There are certain realities that have already become an internal factor. I mean the new territories. The constitution of the Russian Federation exists, and cannot be ignored. Russia will never be able to compromise on this, these are important realities," Peskov said on Tuesday.

@sargentd: Russia was “ready to end the war if we took neutrality,” Ukraine’s former top negotiator confirmed, but Boris Johnson said, “let’s just fight.”

Just do what we want and we'll leave you alone!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Enter random sovereign nation], just roll over and we'll stop bullying you!

Death. To. Putin.

Can you actually support your claims with tangible proof or just wishful thinking?

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-conservative-leader-accuses-ukrainian-refugees-of-welfare-tourism/

Ukraine is still fighting. I'm sure these people will stand till the end because they do this for their freedom and a better future for their children. Unlike Russians who came there to kill for money.

I should say, that I admire Ukrainians and their spirit. They united to help each other. I've recently addressed the guys from cartodonate who look for people who want to donate their old vehicles for the needs of the Ukrainian army and paramedics. I was impressed by this project and its results.

That did not refute what I said.

Give the 111 billion to Americans instead, fix our own problems, stop giving Ukraine our money.

Doesn't your team get mad at that and vote against that too though?

• Republicans block bill to help veterans exposed to toxins (ny1.com)
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• Republicans Are Taking Credit for Infrastructure Bill They All Voted Against | The New Republic

• Congressional Republicans Want Big Cuts to Social Security – Center for Retirement Research (bc.edu)

I guess it should all go to billionaires?

No teams I hate both Democrats and Republicans that support giving away this money.

So for fun, what I'll do is go through the "news" channel that channel and highlight anything involving "Zelenskyy" and then anything involving "Putin" in a basic chronological order.

Zelenskyy -

Putin -

I mean, you don't need to be a fucking rocket scientist to see what is going on here. Even the thumbnail images go out of their way to dramatically make Zelenskyy like some angry psychopath with Putin looking like some smug brilliant diplomat.

It's basic bitch Pro-Russian/Anti-Ukraine propaganda, and you keep posting it, in a loop. It's not news. It's narrative designed to influence people such as yourself.

Doubt anyone on this forum is influenced or takes it seriously. If they are probably need some crayons to play with or something.

It's what Putin exploits, we have democracy for free speech, he doesn't. He uses Republicans as a tool to work for him. It's what you do wither you realize it or not. It seems all they care about it getting back into power. Doesn't matter how low the bar goes.

Of course not.

You haven't even given any substance to what you've said. And you still haven't.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/energy-diplomacy/us-lng-price-up-to-40-higher-than-russian-gas-novak/20225

And one million refugees certainly doesn't make the war less expensive for Germany, granting refuge to more ukrainians than any other european country.

It seems that the last attack of Russia against Ukraine includes a missile that flew over Poland.

I hope there will be a wake up a call and support from European countries to Ukraine will increase.

russia will end the war when it's people decide they're tired of thousands of their sons being sent to die alone in the cold mud to claim 30 meters of ukrainian land.

Not won, but winning. In time, not winning, but won.

Uh huh... right.

Anyways, I guess when you're this old stop caring if fly out a window.

@palasta: cost of energy for germany is because of their own dumb decisions and internal politics surrounding nuclear.

Everyone is terrified of nuclear waste..but you can reduce nuclear waste by using reprocessing, which yes means turning it into plutonium before shifting it into reactors to use as fissile material. Theres challenges around that, but you can minimize those risks...one way is to build the reactor at a military base with plenty of security. 2 birds one stone solution.

Not likely. Most are either the undesirables from the far east sent to war to die (pretty much blatant ethnic cleansing) or middle aged men going to war for money, because they don't have any better employment opportunities anyway. No one cares about them.

@uninspiredcup: Lol, let me tell you something about chess...

I was under the impression that the whole nuclear waste concern was a whole lot of nothing.

People think it's about barrels of glow-in-the-dark green ooze leaking into groundwater, but from what I read it's pretty easy to contain and the amount of waste we'd actually need to store would be so incredibly tiny.

I'll have to find the article but the way I read is that 100 years of nuclear waste could more or less fit into concrete-lined containers and put into a retrofitted mine the size of a large gym or something. Meanwhile, coal mining has been literally leveling mountains and polluting rivers for centuries, giving people cancer and disease (oh and don't forget oil and gas!).

We really dropped the ball when we decided to, as a world-culture, go against nuclear power. Not saying it's the cure to our energy needs, but it would have been a hell of a bandaid for the next few decades while we ween off coal and gas.

Not sure how interested you are in Russia politics, but since you posted the video I thought you might be interested in a good podcast called "Another Russia".

It's hosted by the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, Zhanna Nemtsov, who was assassinated while running against Putin.

Pretty good listen. Very eye-opening. Co-hosted by Ben Rhodes, a very savvy political guy (former deputy National Security Advisor to Obama).

Link

@mrbojangles25: Check it out. Thanks.

A 3 day war that is now a 2+ year war with much of the Russian army destroyed (20% of it's navy in these 3 weeks alone against a country that has no navy) with about 315,000 Russian troops dead is not an epic Chess move.

Russia is now a pariah and less than a year ago had a munity where it's PMC Wagner tried to storm Moscow (largely unhindered)

What we have not is essentially a stalemate with minor gains on either side with Russia, having failed, attempting to consolidate what they have. Betting on democracy failing and fascism winning. Internally via an iron-fist externally to grow like a slow cancer.

Ukraine is unlikely to ever, even without support, surrender. It should be very obvious from the opening days of the war where grannies and mothers where lining up to make Molotov cocktails to fight a 40 mile line of tanks.

It's a mess. Many people are dead. Putin was deluded.

Yeah, give it time, dude.

@mrbojangles25: I also thought it was green ooze lol...apparently its still in the same form as when it was new, with metal rods and uranium pellets. Worst part is, that by the time they send the material to waste, it still has vast amount of energy left, well over 95%. US doesn't reprocess the waste to Plutonium, but some other countries do. It's honestly a big waste of money to let it sit as is, all because of old ass laws on the books.

@nod_calypse: I think that is why it's important to push for support.

It's better for everyone to prevent a successful invasion, or at least to raise the cost so much it becomes a terrible choice.

An effort like that can dissuade future similar actions from Russia itself or other countries.

In case you had any doubt MAGAS and Tucker Carlson are traitors.

The American journalist Tucker Carlson arrived in Russia. He arrived in the Russian capital from Istanbul three days ago. Today the journalist was spotted at the ballet "Spartacus" at the Bolshoi Theater.

@uninspiredcup: Am I supposed to recognize the others there?

@horgen:

Tucker Carlson Says US Government Stopped Him Interviewing Putin

Tucker Carlson has claimed that he was prevented from interviewing Russian President Vladimir Putin by the United States government.

Speaking to Swiss magazine Die Weltwoche, the former Fox News host did not specify when he had attempted to conduct the interview, giving it as an example of what he saw as an attempt to "subvert a democracy" by controlling the media.

"I tried to interview Vladimir Putin, and the U.S. government stopped me," he said in the article, published on Thursday. "By the way, nobody defended me. I don't think there was anybody in the news media who said, 'Wait a second. I may not like this guy, but he has a right to interview anyone he wants, and we have a right to hear what Putin says.'

"You're not allowed to hear Putin's voice. Because why? There was no vote on it. No one asked me. I'm 54 years old. I've paid my taxes and followed the law," he said.

It is unclear which arm of the U.S. government Carlson claims blocked the interview. Newsweek reached out to the White House via email for comment on Monday.

Nobody was defending him most likely because he's not "news"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russia-state-tv-tulsi-gabbard-tucker-carlson-b2048584.html

https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1577824457313378304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1577824457313378304%7Ctwgr%5E1b0aae378cb59977f710fdd5e81e0d14252c89bf%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffpost.com%2Fentry%2Ftucker-carlson-meltdown-supercut-nord-stream_n_633ea1f1e4b0b7f89f48ab3f

Putin’s Goons Say Tucker Carlson Is Must-See TV: The Kremlin has told state-run TV to air Carlson’s pro-Russia talking points as much as possible.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/tucker-carlson-kremlin-russia-tv

Russian TV Uses Tucker Carlson and Tulsi Gabbard to Sell Putin’s War

https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/russian-tv-uses-tucker-carlson-tulsi-gabbard-sell-putins-war/

Russian State TV Can’t Get Enough of Putin Sycophant Tucker Carlson: Government-backed media in Russia have aired clips of the host pushing narratives that align with state propaganda

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/leaked-memo-tucker-carlson-russia-1320583/

Reporter calls out Tucker Carlson for ‘word for word’ Russian propaganda: ‘It’s almost word for word what Vladimir Putin has said’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tucker-carlson-fox-news-russian-propaganda-b2033966.html

Bonus material. Me personally, not really cultured enough to go to the Opera like Tucker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike

On 16 March 2022, during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Russian Armed Forces^[1][3] bombed the Donetsk Academic Regional Drama Theatre in Mariupol, Ukraine. It was used as an air raid shelter during the siege of Mariupol, sheltering a large number of civilians. The estimations of the number of deaths that occurred due to the bombing have varied, from at least 12^[1] (Amnesty International) to 600 (Associated Press).^[2][a]

The Ukrainian government accused the Russian Armed Forces of deliberately bombing the theatre while it was sheltering civilians.^[5] Russia denied the allegations and instead accused the Azov Battalion of blowing up the building.^[6] The Russian claim has been refuted by independent investigations.

The theatre is among theUkrainian heritage and cultural sites destroyedduring the invasion.^[7]The attack has been classified as awar crimeby both theOrganization for Security and Co-operation in EuropeandAmnesty International.^[1][8]

On July 11, 2022 the Ukrainian media reported that the theatre rubble was cleaned by Russians and bodies of victims were allegedly taken away to an unknown place.^[29][30][31]

A Potemkin village styled scene has been built around the ruins of Mariupol Drama Theatre.^[32]

In February 2023, Russian journalist Maria Ponomarenko [sv] was sentenced to six years in prison under Russia's war censorship laws for publishing information about the Mariupol theatre airstrike.

Yes, I have seen tucker being praised a lot in Russian media. He is probably considered to be valuable asset.

I am not sure, what tucker gains from this. Is this political affinity with Putin? Shared values with him ?

I would guess he (like MAGAS in general) is trying to manipulate his large audience into getting Trump to win. With complete disregard for democracy. Which would be detrimental for Ukriane, good for Russia, and allow the right-wing agenda to reign.

But not America, just guessing. Basically using the logic "these people have no empathy and are completely self-serving", which appears to be universal trait with these MAGA types.

Is this lady mentally ill or just incredibly stupid?

Do you get into politics in America through Bingo or something?

I think Tucker's motivations are purely financial. He is very mercenary.

The guy is completely without loyalty or morals.

@uninspiredcup said:

...

Is this lady mentally ill or just incredibly stupid?

Do you get into politics in America through Bingo or something?

Why not both?

As for "getting into politics" I'd like to think many get in for the right reasons (that being to help people), but the more I read about what is going on, the more I think our politicians are, as the Russians say, "kompromat".

These days I think the Russians (and other foreign powers) are really starting earlier into careers and younger into peoples' lives in this regard.

There was a time when I thought regressive MAGA politics would die out with the old guard, but this next generation seems even crazier than the older Cold Warriors, and we see the brainwashing occurring with teens and 20-somethings now, too.

@mrbojangles25: he did say on live tv he supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

After a while, he claimed he was joking then. But he wasn't laughing when he said and nor was anyone else around him.

https://youtu.be/GH9017Qaby8?si=6MRjtrjAc7taV2Ar

I think there must be some ideological affinity there.

Nice of Tucker to check to see if Russia is doing alright after a VIP trip to the Opera in the richest most affluent part of the country.

In a video captured during his visit, Mr Carlson said he wanted to “talk to people, look around, and see how it’s doing... and it’s doing very well.”

This is some top tier journalism, and def not him being chauffeured and pampered prior to promoting them.

Russians are having the time of their lives. Def not uploading videos about being lied to, not having proper equipment, women uploading videos asking where their husbands are, complete suppression of the population, Wagner attempting to take over Moscow, begging for weapons from NK etc... etc.. etc..

Point is, placing outside Moscow are far poorer, with soldiers being used in spamming meat grinders with shitty equipment to die, with Russia purposefully using the poor population and targeting certain ethnic groups while the elite are shielding.

Ironically as well, for all the boasting about Europe about to have the lights off, this is happening.

His comment on any level, is ridiculous. And more indictive of his intention to promote them as hard as he can.

As said, not gonna pretend to be some American politics expert, but what has been obvious, and what been saying since day 1 these people are traitors, out and out. And generally speaking, a cancer to life.

If their is some shitty, horrible thing, they seem to run at it with open arms.

an interview with Putin himself? ill check it out, sounds interesting

His first outburst was genuine. The later retraction was obligation.

This will be a carefully curated PR. Your pal isn't their to challenge him. End with "I agree and understand you, powers are against us", which has been the last 3 interviews he had with multiple accused rapists.

Now he gets to be pals with a mass murderer. Remember to clap.

@uninspiredcup: blah blah blah it's just an interview. Don't care if it's good or bad. Just said it will be interesting to see what he says, whether it's a bunch of horseshit or not

Would be an interesting interview. Honestly surprised no outlet or journalist has done it already... leave it to Tucker he'll do it lol

It's more than in interview, though. It's a platform to lie, and spread lies. With a built-in audience ready to buy into those lies.

I get into this debate with my brother-in-law about Joe Rogan sometimes. Free speech is great. I think having a platform for civil debate and discourse is awesome. I think a lot of wealthy or influential people on paper have the means to promote these things and they should promote them so people that don't normally get exposed to new ideas can hear them, and then hear counterpoints to these ideas as well.

The issue is, we don't get the whole package. What we get is a guest going on, being told before hand it will be a safe environment for him; because it's not about the exchange of ideas, it's about generating revenue. And so-and-so won't go on as a guest if their ideas are challenged.

So some quack goes on Joe Rogan to talk about how raw meat is great and Joe Rogan just nods his head and maybe says something funny, but we don't get another view about how raw meat is actually pretty terrible for you and how your average American probably eats too much of it, as evidenced by rampant obesity, heart disease, and cholesterol levels in the US.

Likewise, I imagine this interview with Putin will occur and Putin will lie. And Tucker will probably go off a script. And Tucker will probably push back in a rehearsed faux show of accountability and the somewhat-smart minority of his viewers will be "Oh, see, he pushed back, he wasn't just lying down for Putin. This is very credible" but mostly it's just to reinforce the views of his idiot viewers and to convert more.

TL;DR: this isn't about discourse, debate, and the free exchange of ideas. It's propaganda and profit-driven entertainment.

This just goes to show it's not actually an interview.

No serious journalist would give Putin a platform to lie, and Putin wouldn't interview with any serious journalist because he knows his lies would shatter under little scrutiny.