Jesus H. Christ. Knew this was a possibility but didn't think it'd happen.
Not sure how I feel about this.
McCarthy might have been a complete doofus but at the very least he was at least somewhat of a traditional Republican, and not like these alt-right RINO's. Can't wait to see who replaces him.
@sargentd said:
Thank you Bob Good and Matt!!! Love it. ❤️
McBarfy deserves to go. Don't let the door hit ya on the ass bud
You realize the democrats supported this. So you are supporting something that pretty much only Democrats voted for and only a few GOP folks did.
Jesus H. Christ. Knew this was a possibility but didn't think it'd happen.
Not sure how I feel about this.
McCarthy might have been a complete doofus but at the very least he was at least somewhat of a traditional Republican, and not like these alt-right RINO's. Can't wait to see who replaces him.
@sargentd said:
Thank you Bob Good and Matt!!! Love it. ❤️
McBarfy deserves to go. Don't let the door hit ya on the ass bud
You realize the democrats supported this. So you are supporting something that pretty much only Democrats voted for and only a few GOP folks did.
Democrats have to by default. Or they would have to answer to thier constitutes on why they voted for a republican sspeaker.they didn't vote for him the first time either.
Technically democrats "could have" saved McBarfy if they wanted too. But not unless they were going to get something.
I dont like the guy so I'm stoked to see him humiliated again and booted as speaker. The only reason this could happen anyway was from the agreement he had with the freedom caucus the first time.
He didn't keep his word so byebye mcbarfy.
Democrats should maybe thinking of holding thier party accountable some time.
@mrbojangles25: Even from a Dem perspective he had to go. He made a deal months ago, backed out of it, and then publicly blamed the Dems for almost causing the shutdown.
He'd lost all trust. If you can't trust a speaker to abide by the deals he makes, then he serves no purpose. His entire role is that of a mediator.
The next person may be worse ideologically, but it's hard to be worse functionally.
@sargentd: Hold them accountable for what, exactly?
For anything Democrat leadership says they will fight for and then end up not doing it, when they said they were.
Just talking in general terms. I don't get why democrats think that the democrats voting and moving in absolute lockstep is good or healthy. It just means they are a controlled herd.
I remember when progressives pretended the "squad" would be that for dems... look how that turned out
@sargentd: The way our Congress is set up, the party needs to come together behind someone who can perform basic functions. And that generally means accepting no one is going to get everything they want. Not sure what Matt Gaetz thinks he's going to get when there are only about a dozen people on the same page he is. The next guy will have to make deals with Democrats too sometimes.
@sargentd: The way our Congress is set up, the party needs to come together behind someone who can perform basic functions. And that generally means accepting no one is going to get everything they want. Not sure what Matt Gaetz thinks he's going to get when there are only about a dozen people on the same page he is. The next guy will have to make deals with Democrats too sometimes.
Parties are supposed to work together. I don't know why that's now considered a negative by the maga rinos.
For anything Democrat leadership says they will fight for and then end up not doing it, when they said they were.
And what was that, in this case?
I'm sorry not sure what your asking. are you asking me what McCarthy didn't do/ did do to get canned?
No, I'm asking you what you want Democrats to be held accountable for from this.
Democrats should maybe thinking of holding thier party accountable some time.
You misunderstood me. My point is that the Democrat party seems to never have any defectors. Whether Pelosi or Jeffries. They just vote how they are told by who's in charge. Was speaking in general terms
As far as this particular situation with the freedom caucus and McCarthy. It has little to do with democrats at all. This is a battle for the right to straighten out. So as far as what "I want democrats to be held responsible for" nothing because I'm not going to vote for them. More of saying democrats promise shit like student loan forgiveness for example, don't deliver, never push back or say anything, the herd moves on.
@mattbbpl: Manchin still gives democrats what they want. He just wants to gain something personally for his vote. But in the end he gives them his vote. Just like in the "inflation reduction act" which is nothing more than another fat bloated spending bill
Imagine progressives actually pushing Pelosi out of her job. That's a whole other beast. We just witnessed that.
@LJS9502_basic: Yeah. Modern GOP forgets guys like Reagan were effective because he worked well with Democrats. The tax reforms of the 80's they loved so much were a bipartisan effort. Hell, we had a ballanced budget in the 90's because Gingrich and Clinton got their parties to negotiate a bunch of deals together. That's just how things work here in a Repuplic. Screaming about red-lines gets you a buncha nothin'.
@LJS9502_basic: Yeah. Modern GOP forgets guys like Reagan were effective because he worked well with Democrats. The tax reforms of the 80's they loved so much were a bipartisan effort. Hell, we had a ballanced budget in the 90's because Gingrich and Clinton got their parties to negotiate a bunch of deals together. That's just how things work here in a Repuplic.
The reason McCarthy lost his job is because he refused to try and actually balance the budget, democrats refuse to as well. So they were working together neglecting it. That's quite some "bipartisanship" He deserves to be let go.
@sargentd: Oh, if your argument is that the GOP is more dysfunctional than the Democrats currently, yeah, it's not close. I think you're viewing their unity with rose colored glasses, but at least they're not the Republicans right now.
@sargentd: Oh, if your argument is that the GOP is more dysfunctional than the Democrats currently, yeah, it's not close. I think you're viewing their unity with rose colored glasses, but at least they're not the Republicans right now.
Atleast they are kicking out the scum instead of making out with it.
@sargentd: that's like me arguing that McConnell is bad at being the majority leader in the Senate. I hate him, sure, but he's exceptionally good at getting what he wants.
These republicans are like children in these positions, mentally unequipped for governance and understanding how things get done. and McCarthy was a piece of trash until the last moment, still blaming Democrats for his failure to keep his caucus together.
Imagine you losing everything you worked for because of Matt Gatez of all people. lmao
@sargentd: that's like me arguing that McConnell is bad at being the majority leader in the Senate. I hate him, sure, but he's exceptionally good at getting what he wants.
@sargentd: that's like me arguing that McConnell is bad at being the majority leader in the Senate. I hate him, sure, but he's exceptionally good at getting what he wants.
Hes horrible too..
You don't really happen to know much about politics and didn't give a serious reply to what Seraph just said.
@sargentd: that's like me arguing that McConnell is bad at being the majority leader in the Senate. I hate him, sure, but he's exceptionally good at getting what he wants.
Hes horrible too..
You don't really happen to know much about politics and didn't give a serious reply to what Seraph just said.
McConnell sucks. The only thing I give him credit for is postponing Supreme Court nominations. But overall he's a scumbag that works against the American people. Schumer as well.
@sargentd: that's like me arguing that McConnell is bad at being the majority leader in the Senate. I hate him, sure, but he's exceptionally good at getting what he wants.
Hes horrible too..
You don't really happen to know much about politics and didn't give a serious reply to what Seraph just said.
McConnell sucks. The only thing I give him credit for is postponing Supreme Court nominations.
I agree with you that he sucks because of all the right wing nonsense he has helped push. But that's the thing we're talking about, he allowed the GOP to actually push these things and pack a far right court. That's objectively very effective. Whether you like the policies or not is irrelevant when stating that.
Without him the right would be weaker.
@sargentd said:
But overall he's a scumbag that works against the American people.
You don't really happen to know much about politics and didn't give a serious reply to what Seraph just said.
McConnell sucks. The only thing I give him credit for is postponing Supreme Court nominations.
I agree with you that he sucks because of all the right wing nonsense he has helped push. But that's the thing we're talking about, he allowed the GOP to actually push these things and pack a far right court. That's objectively very effective. Whether you like the policies or not is irrelevant when stating that.
Without him the right would be weaker.
@sargentd said:
But overall he's a scumbag that works against the American people.
That's most of the GOP.
Don't give him much credit. Someone else could be just as if not more effective.
Much like 90% of our career politicians in our senate he's just another bought and paid for puppet scumbag serving his donors and lobbyists while making back door deals to enrich himself. Democrats are just as guilty of it.
McCarthy lied and was making back door deals with Biden to stuff more proxy war money into an omnibus bill. He's a liar, he said he wasn't going to fund it anymore. Good riddance
@LJS9502_basic: Yeah. Modern GOP forgets guys like Reagan were effective because he worked well with Democrats. The tax reforms of the 80's they loved so much were a bipartisan effort. Hell, we had a ballanced budget in the 90's because Gingrich and Clinton got their parties to negotiate a bunch of deals together. That's just how things work here in a Repuplic.
The reason McCarthy lost his job is because he refused to try and actually balance the budget, democrats refuse to as well. So they were working together neglecting it. That's quite some "bipartisanship" He deserves to be let go.
The budget can not be balanced by a discretionary spending bill. We are currently running about $1.5 trillion deficits annually. If Matt Gaetz was given a magic wand and cast a spell to completely eliminate the Department of Education, EPA, and HUD all in one fell swoop, that would only save a little under $200 billion. Dispelling our military out of existence would get him close, but he's not going to do that. He's one of the guys who has voted to jack up military spending by about $200 billion over the last 5 years. Money spent on bombs doesn't count, right?
If this guy wants to balance the budget without raising taxes, he'd better come out and tell the Boomers that he wants to shred their Medicare. Until then, he's not to be taken seriously and I will treat him as such.
@LJS9502_basic: Yeah. Modern GOP forgets guys like Reagan were effective because he worked well with Democrats. The tax reforms of the 80's they loved so much were a bipartisan effort. Hell, we had a ballanced budget in the 90's because Gingrich and Clinton got their parties to negotiate a bunch of deals together. That's just how things work here in a Repuplic.
The reason McCarthy lost his job is because he refused to try and actually balance the budget, democrats refuse to as well. So they were working together neglecting it. That's quite some "bipartisanship" He deserves to be let go.
The budget can not be balanced by a discretionary spending bill. We are currently running about $1.5 trillion deficits annually. If Matt Gaetz was given a magic wand and cast a spell to completely eliminate the Department of Education, EPA, and HUD all in one fell swoop, that would only save a little under $200 billion. Dispelling our military out of existence would get him close, but he's not going to do that. He's one of the guys who has voted to jack up military spending by about $200 billion over the last 5 years. Money spent on bombs doesn't count, right?
If this guy wants to balance the budget without raising taxes, he'd better come out and tell the Boomers that he wants to shred their Medicare. Until then, he's not to be taken seriously and I will treat him as such.
we should have single-subject spending bills and a budget.
That's what they wanted from McCarthy and he ignored them and decided to go with buisness as usual.
Single subject spending bills is sane. It's not far right or unrealistic. It should be done. Many on the left have wanted as well.
Will it solve everything. NO. But atleast it would be a start.
@mrbojangles25: Even from a Dem perspective he had to go. He made a deal months ago, backed out of it, and then publicly blamed the Dems for almost causing the shutdown.
He'd lost all trust. If you can't trust a speaker to abide by the deals he makes, then he serves no purpose. His entire role is that of a mediator.
The next person may be worse ideologically, but it's hard to be worse functionally.
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