Rich asshat lays out modern economic thought in honest terms, sounds like a psychopath.

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#51 JimB
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@mrbojangles25 said:
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Yup. And the worst part is you can't speak ill of capitalism in public. I'm not even that big of a socialist despite how I act on here; I think a lot of capitalism has merit.

But it's not a perfect system. Doubly so for American capitalism. And unfortunately it's so entwined with our politics we can't have an open and serious discussion about it.

There is zero wrong with capitalism.

Capitalism fundamentally a system that, in practice, is about greed and endless growth. A system which invariably -- and consistently -- leads to oppression, a necessary poverty class, death and imperialism. When closely inspected, its speedy successes have almost always arrived secondary to some degree of slavery and/or indentured servitude (not surprising as it is a child of Feudalism). Corruption is a problem in all systems because humans are at the wheel, but that makes the problems in practical application that much more obvious. That's what Capitalism really looks like and its why organized labor is so critical. The failure of other systems has almost always been a function of the agents of Capitalism adding a thumb to the scale in a host of ways rather than their own merits not being sufficient.

I'm trying to imagine your book being practical and grounded in the real world and being meaningfully applicable (and somehow not complete trash). I'm having a hard time imagining it. Suggesting there is "zero wrong with capitalism", putting it on a pedestal as an idol and blaming its failures on "da politics" is like saying there's zero wrong with Communism if not for those darn politicians. It's a shockingly embryonic commentary.

Capitalism is based in freedom. More people in the world are free because of capitalism. other form of economics. All others enslave people. A new monitary system is about to be mandated in the Unioted States which will give the governmewnt unlimited control over the citizens, we will have no freedom whats so ever.

See? This is why we can't talk about it, because anything that isn't capitalism "is slavery" and only capitalism "can set us free". It's an emotional issue for most. You'd have better luck insulting their mom than even considering talking about a different economic system (or a slightly modified one at that!).

The irony of course is that it's capitalism that is making a new serfdom and slowly but surely bringing back feudalism, a system where a small group of rich people and "haves" tends to lord over a large group of "have nots".

Whatever ideal of capitalism you think you might know, we aren't living it. The glory days of capitalism, of "all you have to do is work hard" to get the American dream, is over. The rules that applied to my parents, who did so well, no longer apply to me and I am pissed about it.

It is hard for capitalism to work when you have a major political party {Democrats} pushing Marxism.

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@JimB: and it's hard to have a serious discussion about fixing the problems with capitalism--or, more specifically, the problems with how we have interpreted and implemented capitalism-- when anything that isn't "Hail capitalism!" is seen as Marxism.

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#53  Edited By JimB
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@LJS9502_basic said:
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Trump shut down the economy that was thriving. When he left office inflation was at 1.7,

Trump left with some of the worst economical record in history.

Trump will have the worst jobs record in modern U.S. history - The Washington Post

@JimB said:

Trump had the first full year of covid with no vaccine and little knowledge of the disease.

A lot of our poor Covid response is on him going by multiple studies. He messed up.

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Spin it any way you want the Democrats did this

Most fact checks show it would have happened either way, as it's mostly global. Due to poor Covid responses.

The Washington Post is a biased source for information. Trump was the only politician taking the covid pandemic serious when the first cases appeared in the United States. You should go back and look at the news form that time. Of course history for the Democrats begins today not yesterday. Who did the studies and who funded them?

Biases as in they don't feed you trump propaganda. Trump did NOT take covid seriously. He knew months in advance how damaging it is and he refused to even hold a press conference about because it was an election year. When the news came out, he downplayed it at every turn and is gullible supporters bought that, and still do.

Listen to the Woodward tapes, it's by his own mouth.

Like Nancy Pelosi having a photo op in China Town telling people to come there and not to worry about covid.

My original post was about the actions of the current administration and the havoc placed on the country by the current administration. To defend their actions you refer to Trump and his actions. Trump has not been president for three years. The Democrats have and they have gone out of their way make the lives of the average American's disastrous. Wait until the new digital currency comes in to being it will be the same as communist China.

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#54 JimB
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:
@adrian1480 said:

Capitalism fundamentally a system that, in practice, is about greed and endless growth. A system which invariably -- and consistently -- leads to oppression, a necessary poverty class, death and imperialism. When closely inspected, its speedy successes have almost always arrived secondary to some degree of slavery and/or indentured servitude (not surprising as it is a child of Feudalism). Corruption is a problem in all systems because humans are at the wheel, but that makes the problems in practical application that much more obvious. That's what Capitalism really looks like and its why organized labor is so critical. The failure of other systems has almost always been a function of the agents of Capitalism adding a thumb to the scale in a host of ways rather than their own merits not being sufficient.

I'm trying to imagine your book being practical and grounded in the real world and being meaningfully applicable (and somehow not complete trash). I'm having a hard time imagining it. Suggesting there is "zero wrong with capitalism", putting it on a pedestal as an idol and blaming its failures on "da politics" is like saying there's zero wrong with Communism if not for those darn politicians. It's a shockingly embryonic commentary.

Capitalism is based in freedom. More people in the world are free because of capitalism. other form of economics. All others enslave people. A new monitary system is about to be mandated in the Unioted States which will give the governmewnt unlimited control over the citizens, we will have no freedom whats so ever.

Capitalism is not based in freedom. Unfettered capitalism is never good for society. Money makes the rules at the expense of others. Just look at how your party treats labor. Look at how we are creating wealth disparity. Look at how money is making the laws we all have to live under.

That is NOT freedom.

If you haven't noticed labor swung into the Republican camp after the Democrats threw them under the bus.

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#55 LJS9502_basic
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@JimB said:
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Capitalism is not based in freedom. Unfettered capitalism is never good for society. Money makes the rules at the expense of others. Just look at how your party treats labor. Look at how we are creating wealth disparity. Look at how money is making the laws we all have to live under.

That is NOT freedom.

If you haven't noticed labor swung into the Republican camp after the Democrats threw them under the bus.

They aren't for Republicans but keep telling yourself that. One labor union even told trump not to speak to the union. Do you pay any attention at all to current events?

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@LJS9502_basic: Yeah, but they keep insisting it has, so it must be true!

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Capitalism is not based in freedom. Unfettered capitalism is never good for society. Money makes the rules at the expense of others. Just look at how your party treats labor. Look at how we are creating wealth disparity. Look at how money is making the laws we all have to live under.

That is NOT freedom.

If you haven't noticed labor swung into the Republican camp after the Democrats threw them under the bus.

They aren't for Republicans but keep telling yourself that. One labor union even told trump not to speak to the union. Do you pay any attention at all to current events?

The Biden administration has done a lot of harm to the unions. The auto workers are going to take it in the shorts with the conversion to EV's. They are going to lose jobs. They already have.

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#58 LJS9502_basic
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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

If you haven't noticed labor swung into the Republican camp after the Democrats threw them under the bus.

They aren't for Republicans but keep telling yourself that. One labor union even told trump not to speak to the union. Do you pay any attention at all to current events?

The Biden administration has done a lot of harm to the unions. The auto workers are going to take it in the shorts with the conversion to EV's. They are going to lose jobs. They already have.

You always show up to show you follow the propaganda. The Unions are negotiating for the EV production. There is no reason they can't keep the union workers on to produce their EVs. The wealthy just want all the money for themselves and nothing for those who make them the money and the Republucan Party is the party of the wealth. Not the working American.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@JimB said:

If you haven't noticed labor swung into the Republican camp after the Democrats threw them under the bus.

They aren't for Republicans but keep telling yourself that. One labor union even told trump not to speak to the union. Do you pay any attention at all to current events?

The Biden administration has done a lot of harm to the unions. The auto workers are going to take it in the shorts with the conversion to EV's. They are going to lose jobs. They already have.

You always show up to show you follow the propaganda. The Unions are negotiating for the EV production. There is no reason they can't keep the union workers on to produce their EVs. The wealthy just want all the money for themselves and nothing for those who make them the money and the Republucan Party is the party of the wealth. Not the working American.

The Democrats are the party of wealth and elites that don't give a damn about the average working person. The only union the Democrat's care about is the teachers union. Of course you have the Democrat Hollywood actors and writers guilds, other than that you are not worth consideration by the Democrats. Biden's first hour in office was to put elven thousand union workers out of work, and his administration has gone after other union workers, truckers, miners, and the thousands that lost their jobs over mask and covid shot mandates. Action talks and bullshit walks.

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#60 LJS9502_basic
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@JimB said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

You always show up to show you follow the propaganda. The Unions are negotiating for the EV production. There is no reason they can't keep the union workers on to produce their EVs. The wealthy just want all the money for themselves and nothing for those who make them the money and the Republucan Party is the party of the wealth. Not the working American.

The Democrats are the party of wealth and elites that don't give a damn about the average working person. The only union the Democrat's care about is the teachers union. Of course you have the Democrat Hollywood actors and writers guilds, other than that you are not worth consideration by the Democrats. Biden's first hour in office was to put elven thousand union workers out of work, and his administration has gone after other union workers, truckers, miners, and the thousands that lost their jobs over mask and covid shot mandates. Action talks and bullshit walks.

That doesn't even stand up to a child's view of the political ideologies. Democrats support unions, protect SS and medicare, push for affordable medical care, children being fed etc. Republicans say NO to those programs.