Unions fighting Tesla and Elon Musk in Sweden

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Tesla... flatly refusing to budge on the unions’ central demand – that the company signs up to a collective agreement.

So Tesla in Sweden refuses to sign a collective agreement because Musk thinks they are a bad thing. As a result, workers organized in IF Metall began their strike in late October.

Musk’s electric car company,Tesla, employs only about 120 workers in Sweden, servicing vehicles for Swedish drivers across several different sites.

Yet this small group of engineers is at the centre of a wave of industrial action, in which Swedish trade unions believe the very existence of the country’s long-established model of harmonious labour relations is under threat.

Unlike the UK, “sympathy strikes” are legal in Sweden. So the union representing the Tesla employees, IF Metall, has been backed by a string of boycotts and embargos called in other industries – and encompassing far more workers than those at the centre of the dispute.

Dock workers are refusing to unload Tesla cars at Swedish ports; postal workers won’t deliver their number plates; electricians won’t service Tesla charging points.

Tesla is seeking to take legal action against some of these solidarity strikes, while flatly refusing to budge on the unions’ central demand – that the company signs up to a collective agreement.

These agreements, often drawn up between employers’ associations and unions to cover entire sectors, are key to the way Sweden’s labour market has been governed for almost a century.

Unlike many other European countries, there is no legally enforced minimum wage, and little statutory labour market regulation. Instead, the system is essentially voluntary – with the baseline for pay and other conditions, including pensions, set by collective agreements.

The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development estimated in 2018 that almost 90% of Sweden’s workforce was covered by one of these deals.

The result is a remarkably peaceful industrial landscape, even by Nordic standards: Sweden lost an average of 8,100 working days a year to industrial action between 2010 and 2021, for example, against more than 120,000 in Norway and Finland.

Not surprisingly, given Musk’s attitude, Tesla has flatly refused to sign a collective agreement to cover its Swedish workers, however. After extended but fruitless negotiations, members at IF Metall opted to use the only weapon at their disposal, and call a strike.

“We have tried to negotiate with Tesla for the better part of five years, and we have tried to explain to them the benefits with the collective agreement. But if they still refuse then we have the option to take action: and finally we ran out of patience,” said Jesper Pettersson, a spokesperson for IF Metall.

A month into its strike, IF Metall is firmly dug in for the long haul. Striking workers are being fully compensated for lost pay. With a strike fund worth an estimated £1bn, the union says it can cover the cost of industrial action fordecades if need be. “We have always anticipated that it might take a long time,” Pettersson said.

TL;DR: IF Metall has tried for 5 years to get Tesla to sign a collective agreement, patience ran out and now are striking. Sympathy strikes are legal in Sweden so other unions are joining. Electricians are not servicing the charging stations, parts and registration signs aren't delivered to Tesla sites to mention some.

Denmarks 3F union recently announced they will be participating in the strike, by refusing to transport Teslas meant for Sweden through Denmark.

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Thoughts? I must say I cheer for the Swedish workers and hope they win this fight.

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Collective agreements are a bad thing - for him.

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Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Who thinks other companies excercising their free speech is is blackmailing.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Or the "poor victimized" Tesla employees

I'm sure tesla pays better than 99% of employers

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Ah, the bootlicking has begun.

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@mattbbpl said:

Ah, the bootlicking has begun.

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@mattbbpl said:

Ah, the bootlicking has begun.

Like clockwork. You'd think as a soon to be parent, he'd want the power to not rest in the hands of the billionaires.

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@sargentd said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Or the "poor victimized" Tesla employees

I'm sure tesla pays better than 99% of employers

There is more to a job than just payment.

Tesla is violating swedish labour norms and rules. Or does Law and Order not apply to the rich and powerful?

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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-court-rules-against-tesla-dispute-with-postal-service-over-deliveries-2023-12-07/

Court rules against Tesla, Denmark have joined sweden and a Finnish Union have joined the strike as well. Norway likely to join soon.

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@Maroxad said:
@sargentd said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Or the "poor victimized" Tesla employees

I'm sure tesla pays better than 99% of employers

There is more to a job than just payment.

Tesla is violating swedish labour norms and rules. Or does Law and Order not apply to the rich and powerful?

On top of that, Tesla workers make significantly less than their UAW counterparts:

Link

Tesla workers earn on average about $55 an hour in wages and benefits, compared to $66 to $71 an hour at Detroit’s Big Three, according to industry estimates.

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@Maroxad said:
@sargentd said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Or the "poor victimized" Tesla employees

I'm sure tesla pays better than 99% of employers

There is more to a job than just payment.

Tesla is violating swedish labour norms and rules. Or does Law and Order not apply to the rich and powerful?

Swedish people don't work as much, tesla should move out of thier country and go to where there are more productive people who will gladly take the great pay and benefits.

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@mattbbpl said:
@Maroxad said:
@sargentd said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Or the "poor victimized" Tesla employees

I'm sure tesla pays better than 99% of employers

There is more to a job than just payment.

Tesla is violating swedish labour norms and rules. Or does Law and Order not apply to the rich and powerful?

On top of that, Tesla workers make significantly less than their UAW counterparts:

Link

Tesla workers earn on average about $55 an hour in wages and benefits, compared to $66 to $71 an hour at Detroit’s Big Three, according to industry estimates.

Well no shit shit GM and Ford pay more, EVs make up a small percentage of all vehicles sold. EVs are still niche, Tesla just leads that niche market. ICE still makes the most money.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@mattbbpl said:

Ah, the bootlicking has begun.

Like clockwork. You'd think as a soon to be parent, he'd want the power to not rest in the hands of the billionaires.

I'm anti union, nobody tells me I'm not allowed to work my job.

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@mattbbpl said:
@Maroxad said:
@sargentd said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Or the "poor victimized" Tesla employees

I'm sure tesla pays better than 99% of employers

There is more to a job than just payment.

Tesla is violating swedish labour norms and rules. Or does Law and Order not apply to the rich and powerful?

On top of that, Tesla workers make significantly less than their UAW counterparts:

Link

Tesla workers earn on average about $55 an hour in wages and benefits, compared to $66 to $71 an hour at Detroit’s Big Three, according to industry estimates.

Only making $55 an hour :( so so so sad... those poor little victims

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@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@mattbbpl said:

Ah, the bootlicking has begun.

Like clockwork. You'd think as a soon to be parent, he'd want the power to not rest in the hands of the billionaires.

I'm anti union, nobody tells me I'm not allowed to work my job.

As long as you don't get the benefits unions fight for.....

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@mattbbpl said:

Ah, the bootlicking has begun.

Like clockwork. You'd think as a soon to be parent, he'd want the power to not rest in the hands of the billionaires.

I'm anti union, nobody tells me I'm not allowed to work my job.

As long as you don't get the benefits unions fight for.....

I won't work for a company that requires I join a union, I'm not paying dues to a guy to force me to strike when he wants me too.

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@sargentd said:
@Maroxad said:

There is more to a job than just payment.

Tesla is violating swedish labour norms and rules. Or does Law and Order not apply to the rich and powerful?

Swedish people don't work as much, tesla should move out of thier country and go to where there are more productive people who will gladly take the great pay and benefits.

Sweden has some of the highest labour productivity worldwide.

Tesla is not a good place to work.

Poor pay for the work you do. Lots of overtime. And well... Elon Musk is deeply authoritarian.

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@Maroxad said:
@sargentd said:
@Maroxad said:

There is more to a job than just payment.

Tesla is violating swedish labour norms and rules. Or does Law and Order not apply to the rich and powerful?

Swedish people don't work as much, tesla should move out of thier country and go to where there are more productive people who will gladly take the great pay and benefits.

Sweden has some of the highest labour productivity worldwide.

Tesla is not a good place to work.

Sweden is not a good place to open a buisness

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@sargentd: Sweden has some of the highest startup survival rates in the world.

And ranks very highly in a good place to do business.

https://www.wolterskluwer.com/en/expert-insights/doing-business-in-sweden

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@sargentd said:
@mattbbpl said:
@Maroxad said:
@sargentd said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Or the "poor victimized" Tesla employees

I'm sure tesla pays better than 99% of employers

There is more to a job than just payment.

Tesla is violating swedish labour norms and rules. Or does Law and Order not apply to the rich and powerful?

On top of that, Tesla workers make significantly less than their UAW counterparts:

Link

Tesla workers earn on average about $55 an hour in wages and benefits, compared to $66 to $71 an hour at Detroit’s Big Three, according to industry estimates.

Only making $55 an hour :( so so so sad... those poor little victims

Just to clarify.. if the average employee there gets $55 per hour...

If they work a 40h work week. (Standard for a full time job)

These people are making $105,600 per year.

So these are upper middle class people.

And I'm supposed to feel like these people are getting screwed some how?

The hate for Elon has gotten so absurd you guys will try to make this a big deal out of Tesla paying thier employees over 6 figures in sweeden, while you buying shoes, GPUs and Smart phones by Chinese kids who make $4 an hour.

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@sargentd said:
@sargentd said:

Only making $55 an hour :( so so so sad... those poor little victims

Just to clarify.. if the average employee there gets $55 per hour...

If they work a 40h work week. (Standard for a full time job)

These people are making $105,600 per year.

So these are upper middle class people.

And I'm supposed to feel like these people are getting screwed some how?

The hate for Elon has gotten so absurd you guys will try to make this a big deal out of Tesla paying thier employees over 6 figures in sweeden, while you buying shoes, GPUs and Smart phones by Chinese kids who make $4 an hour.

So these workers make significantly less than their peers in the same industry, and your argument is that's good because they already make too much.

How much does musk make?

How are we supposed to believe that you and Musk's party is the new pro labor party, again?

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#23  Edited By SargentD
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@mattbbpl said:
@sargentd said:
@sargentd said:

Only making $55 an hour :( so so so sad... those poor little victims

Just to clarify.. if the average employee there gets $55 per hour...

If they work a 40h work week. (Standard for a full time job)

These people are making $105,600 per year.

So these are upper middle class people.

And I'm supposed to feel like these people are getting screwed some how?

The hate for Elon has gotten so absurd you guys will try to make this a big deal out of Tesla paying thier employees over 6 figures in sweeden, while you buying shoes, GPUs and Smart phones by Chinese kids who make $4 an hour.

So these workers make significantly less than their peers in the same industry, and your argument is that's good because they already make too much.

How much does musk make?

How are we supposed to believe that you and Musk's party is the new pro labor party, again?

How many jobs has Tesla provided to the world?

Are these employees better off if Elon didn't make Tesla at all or it just closed down and went away?

Are you implying the owner/creator of the buisness should make the same as the employee

Why so focused on this company who pays better than 99% of existing businesses?

Why not focus on the companies manufacturing everything in China where it's literal slave wages.

Can you just admit you guys have a weird obsession with Tesla and Elon over his political views and don't actually stand for shit.

The average wage of an average IPhone factory worker is $244 a month.

Maybe focus your concern to where is matters. Maybe go off at apple for enabling such a thing. I don't know, maybe you should actually care instead of pretending too.

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You are literally using soviet tactics of red herrings and whataboutism now.

As others have pointed out, Tesla pays poorly compared to its competition, and treats their workers pretty badly regardless. Which is why they are taking these anti-union positions and why virtually all the unions in one country are now striking against them, not to mention unions in 2 other countries joining in on the strikes.

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@sargentd: Lol, you didn't address my post at all. You just made additional ramblings about how workers should earn less and owners should earn more.

Pro labor party indeed.

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@sargentd said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Or the "poor victimized" Tesla employees

I'm sure tesla pays better than 99% of employers

Not where I'm from, the bottom end only pays $25/hour.

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GOOD! More damage to Elon, the better. Can't believe I was a fan of that guy...

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@Maroxad said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-court-rules-against-tesla-dispute-with-postal-service-over-deliveries-2023-12-07/

Court rules against Tesla, Denmark have joined sweden and a Finnish Union have joined the strike as well. Norway likely to join soon.

We are joining December 20th I think.

Also the government in Norway want to speak with Tesla regarding labour laws, employers joining unions and collective agreements.

@nintendoboy16 said:

GOOD! More damage to Elon, the better. Can't believe I was a fan of that guy...

Some people may appear bright until they open their mouth. :P

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@horgen said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Time to post memes (stolen) about how I'm a poor victimized billionaire.

Who thinks other companies excercising their free speech is is blackmailing.

Well, to be fair, it's the same company that operates in China so the feigned corporate outrage definitely falls flat.

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The only difference between this and Elmo Buttmusk is time:

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