Digital Foundry : we've heard from multiple developers that Xbox Series S is a bit of a pain at times

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Meltdown 7.0🤣😂

Looks like it bothers you that devs don't like XSS. I'm happy about it.

@mowgly1: Seems like it is more of a concern to you since you created the thread.😂

If you think Series S is anything but a dressed up last gen console.... then you are a fool.

The GPU is weaker than the One X and that is last gen. That means it is last gen.

This thing shouldnt even be counted towards next gen systems. Just add it to the XBone tally.

And it has next gen memory, next gen CPU, next gen storage, next gen loading, next gen 120fps, next gen games…..

Which next-gen memory? You mean RAM?

I have been saying this since the beginning. XSS is shit and a burden for developers.

i mean .

want true next gen gaming.. console are a burden for devs... got to support old tech...

@Pedro: the cows are on a roll today

Yeah but AAA games with fancy gfx are usually boring AF anyway. 4K and fancy graphics are a burden on fun.

Maybe they should just focus on making fun games instead.

That's nonsense. I wish last-gen consoles had the same specs as the Series S (compare the CPU specs). Maybe then last gen would not have been such a bottom-tier shit show in terms of performance.

@BassMan: lmao, you keep singing the same tune. According to you PC devs should tell all the people who bought entry level gpus to **** off and just make games for the radeon 6800xt and above, because people who bought those geforce 3050tis like me are holding back pc gaming for the elitists. Jeez its like some new kind of gpu racism 🤣

Games keep advancing and minimum specs keep rising. Having a gimped console as part of a new-gen does not help in that regard. A new gen should be about new experiences and pushing things forward, not staying in the past.

@blaznwiipspman1: Bassman is an idiot when it comes to understanding how games work.🤷‍♂️

I bet there is going to be a lot lems crying themselves to sleep tonight, because they bought a gimped out console .

Cows and sheeps, please donate tissues , because the lems are going to need it .

Didn't one of your folks bought a Series S?🤭

@BassMan: geez dude, it's just graphics. You must have missed it, 107 million nintendo switch sold and even worse, nintendo sold a record 250+ million pieces of software. People don't care so much about gfx. The series S is about 15 times more power than the switch, let that sink in.

@Pedro: How's what he posted a meltdown exactly?

It’s not just graphics though. The memory bottlenecks on the Series S are gonna be an obstacle for game design, as well as graphics. They really should have matched the memory configuration of the Series X, and just lowered the capacity. What they did to the Series S was silly. 10GB GDDR6 RAM, 8GB @ 224GB/S, 2GB @ 56GB/s… Not sure why they thought that was a good idea…

@girlusocrazy: I disagree on that point. I feel like optimizations for series S will be more mature by that point and devs will get more comfortable making games for series S. Theres a lot of untapped potential for series S, including using DRS techniques, FSR, VRS2.0 and more. Theres no need for series S to get 1080p all the time. People will be happy with 720p. It doesn't need cutting edge features like RT either. RT is a gimmick.

@goldenelementxl: who knows, but it makes sense. 8gb for gaming, 2gb for the system itself.

I said it before there's a lot of ways to optimize, like DRS scaling to 720p. Cutting out the gimmicky RT. Pulling frames down to 30fps. Using FSR2.0 and VRS2.0. Plus lots more. People generally don't care about graphics all that much. If the series S is able to meet some standard where it looks better than the ps4 , that's enough for most people.

They need to use XboneX gpu with the S's cpu. Bump the price by like $50 if needed, but the current S is almost as much of a meme as the Switch is in 2022.

On these 55”+ 4K TVs?!?! Nah…

I feel like if you said this in 2013, you’d get laughed out of system wars. Yet, here we are, in 2022. Saying 1080p isn’t necessary, and that most people would be happy with 720p…

John, on the thousand-to-one off-chance you're reading this...

You remember that annoying Xbox fanboy who once spouted off a load of super-weak trash talk about PlayStation around the time of one of the State of Plays (I think it was), causing you to rage quit a live stream? Well, that was me, and I'm deeply sorry. Don't punish MS please - I'm not affiliated in any way and they're really nice guys (probably). I won't ever do it again. Promise.

Also, Alex needs to wear even smaller vests (no homo).

Thanks, and apologies once more. You guys are great!

Finally. More devs are admitting the S stands for SHIT. 🤣

@blaznwiipspman1: 720 in 2022, you're beyond delusional at this point 🤣

Prove that the memory is going to limit game design.😎

@BassMan said:

@BenjaminBanklin said:

Finally. More devs are admitting the S stands for SHIT. 🤣

Lol.

Meh I think 99% of games being developed would be the same shit even on more powerful hardware just with a few more pixels .... so I don't believe for a second games are being held back in a meaningful way. Might suck for the devs having to do more work...

Plis, stop buying last gen consoles.

Look at Halo Infinite and tell me with a straight face that it wasn't held back by a massive amount. Go on i dare you, i double dare you, bro. In a way, Microsoft is holding gaming back with their Xbone and the S.

Not exactly surprising. But if the hardware is selling they have to adapt to it.

It has treble the 120 fps games ps5 has and any pc owner who's hasn't changed the FPS narrative will tell you that is king.

Poor ps5 is last gen and PS4 is holding it back

Xbox Series S is good because it forces devs to optimise their games for low-end hardware. This optimisation can carry over to low end PC gaming. Not every PC gamer has high-end hardware

So the Wii is a 6th gen console, the Wii U a 7th gen console and the Switch a 7th gen console?

What about the developers that have praised the Series S and the included hardware? They don’t count all of a sudden?

Okay, Forza Horizon 5. Done, that was easy.

DF said it was the same as the Series X version, at a lower resolution. And FH5 is a lot more complex than a Halo game.

I mean, if you have a 55"+ 4K TV, why would you consider the Series S? That's not it's market.

As expected. The biggest bottleneck is the memory bandwidth. Devs can work somewhat with lower memory but memory bandwidth is something that will be a pain in the a$$. It's X1 all over again with its DDR3 memory and crap bandwidth. Just to put things in perspective Series S memory bandwidth is a little over PS4's from 2013.

If he's delusional then what about you! You play in 720p/sub 30 FPS in 2022 on your PS4. ROFLMAO!

Poo cows, most still playing games on their weak sauce BS Bore but concerned with XSS which is 10X faster. ;o

Eh, another day, another...

lol :P

the Series S is a budget console aimed at a casual crowd that doesn't know Digital Foundry exists.. 🤷🏽‍♂️

Devs are dropping PS4 and Xbox One because eventhough they could still support PS 4 pro and Xbox One X, the base consoles are too old at this point.

Reading your post, I have a feeling Xbox Series S could be dropped too (though in something like 4 years).

@pc_rocks: Chromebook, you play on a Chromebook. 🤣 Let that sink in for a second.

Also, what game am I playing at 720, I'd love to know?