Some fanboys just can't use logic or metrics.

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#1 tormentos
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Now this is the image been use to claim the PS5 is this huge ass machine.

This image is totally wrong and conveniently blow up size on PS consoles how do i know this?

Draw a straight line between the PS3 and xbox one and see what you get.

I cropped the image to the top of the PS3,do you see something odd? Yeah is a miracle the xbox one shrinked or the PS3 grew since 2006 from what i can see.

For thos who forgot how they really were in size,the PS3 is smaller upright than the xbox one yet on the first screen it look bigger,not only that the slim PS3 is also shorter than the xbox 360 so is the PS4 and i even think the Pro as well.

The size of those PS consoles is been over blown on purpose,and as always lemmings without thinking twice will attack the size without actually investigating first.

But the people crying now are the same who were ok with this huge ass size discrepancy on a machine with 40% less power,not only the xbox one was much taller it was also thicker,unlike the scenario that we have now where one is taller but the other is much thicker.

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#2  Edited By Litchie
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Sizewars.

Didn't even know this was a thing.

No matter the size though, the PS5 is still fugly. Maybe not quite PS3 fugly, but almost.

Edit: Scratch that, it's actually fuglier than PS3. Being huge and white, you can't really hide it. Hope they make a black version so that it's noticed less.

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#3 JasonOfA36
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Bigger is better, though. I mean, for thermals. Wouldn't want your console to sound like a jet engine.

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#4 Crazy_Chemist
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Here’s the thing, are you sure they are the same people?

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#5 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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I don't understand the obsession over this. Seriously its a box your going to put under your TV and forget exists in a few months.

The only thing I care about is the noise the things make, I replaced my PC fans with Noctua's for a reason.

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#6  Edited By sealionact
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The ps3 should be smaller in the picture....you can see gaps either side of the red line for the disc.

The ps5 is still the biggest ever console, complete with a tumor....but I can see by the lengths you went to try and disprove it that this is something that bothers you.....Don't let it.

Perch your biguglytumorstation 5 in the middle of your TV bench, and be proud. Actually, keep it to one side....you wont see the TV otherwise.

Prepare yourself for countless fun conversations when you invite people back to your place and they point with a puzzled look and ask "What is.....that?"

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#7 R4gn4r0k
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@jasonofa36: weird, because the slim version of Sony consoles always had the best thermals

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#8  Edited By BassMan
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Size matters
Size matters
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#9 Bluestars
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Size HaH

Cows HaH

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#10  Edited By JasonOfA36
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@R4gn4r0k: You're right. But that's for Sony's "case." Hahaaa.... I'll see myself out.

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#11 jg4xchamp
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@BassMan said:
Size matters
Size matters

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I forgot that he is a manlet

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#12 onesiphorus
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I thought the inability of using logic is the hallmark of being a fanboy.

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@BassMan said:
Size matters
Size matters

This is what the rest of tormy looks like lol

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#14 tormentos
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@Litchie said:

Sizewars.

Didn't even know this was a thing.

No matter the size though, the PS5 is still fugly. Maybe not quite PS3 fugly, but almost.

Edit: Scratch that, it's actually fuglier than PS3. Being huge and white, you can't really hide it. Hope they make a black version so that it's noticed less.

Well is a taste thing i really like it,hell i like it way more than the PS3.

@jasonofa36 said:

Bigger is better, though. I mean, for thermals. Wouldn't want your console to sound like a jet engine.

Thats the rason the xbox on doesn't sound like one.

I think the PS5 will b much quiter.

@sealionact said:

The ps3 should be smaller in the picture....you can see gaps either side of the red line for the disc.

The ps5 is still the biggest ever console, complete with a tumor....but I can see by the lengths you went to try and disprove it that this is something that bothers you.....Don't let it.

Perch your biguglytumorstation 5 in the middle of your TV bench, and be proud. Actually, keep it to one side....you wont see the TV otherwise.

Prepare yourself for countless fun conversations when you invite people back to your place and they point with a puzzled look and ask "What is.....that?"

Yes it is the tallest consol ever,which before that was the xbox one,which you din't have a problem with.

By the way the xbox is the thickest console ever it atually close to double the xbox one which is substancial.

Well at it this way most of you have go to muh greater length to downplay it and without even verifying it or having it on hand.¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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#15 tormentos
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@BassMan said:
Size matters
Size matters

🤣🤣🤣🤣 My lengendary thumb.

@bluestars said:

Size HaH

Cows HaH

Please kingtito stop jumping between accounts.

@i_p_daily said:

This is what the rest of tormy looks like lol

Lets put it this way my thumb look to you like your arguments look to me.😂

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#16 xantufrog  Moderator
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I agree - something is wrong with the images. But it'll be a big console. There are no two ways about it. And the thing is - that's probably a great thing for cooling and sound. So don't get wigged out over it

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#17 tormentos
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@xantufrog said:

I agree - something is wrong with the images. But it'll be a big console. There are no two ways about it. And the thing is - that's probably a great thing for cooling and sound. So don't get wigged out over it

Oh there is no doubt that it will be taller than all other consoles before it.

Yeah it probably for best possibl cooling which is great cooler system more longvity.

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#18 Nonstop-Madness
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We should just wait for the official dimensions.

But yeah, the original Xbox One is actually a tiny bit taller on its side than the fat PS3.

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#19 Archangel3371
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I don’t know why some people find it strange that anyone would find something either appealing or not based on when they first see that thing. It’s just a naturally instinctive thing to do. You see something and you just interpret what you think of that thing.

Anyway I don’t think that the PS5 is going to be off all that much either way when we get the actual measurements of it. We’ll just have to wait and see though.

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#20 tormentos
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@Archangel3371 said:

I don’t know why some people find it strange that anyone would find something either appealing or not based on when they first see that thing. It’s just a naturally instinctive thing to do. You see something and you just interpret what you think of that thing.

Anyway I don’t think that the PS5 is going to be off all that much either way when we get the actual measurements of it. We’ll just have to wait and see though.

That isn't strange at all specially if it is alone fanboy lines.

For example those who cry about the PS5 been huge loved the xbox one which has even a bigger disparity vs the PS4 since it wasn't only much taller it was also thicker.

I don't think it will be much smaller,but fact is this measurement was wrong and people were taking it as true here without even challenging some of the models been completely wrong in size.

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#21 HitmanActual
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Haha the king of fanboys complaining about fanboys. That's fanboy logic for ya!!!

And as for size, the fact Sony won't release the dimensions of their monstrosity means it's huge.

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#22 TheEroica  Moderator
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My word you've got too much time on your hands.

The size of a console has never once made a difference to anyone on earth.

When you make a thread about it you empower the trolls that dwell on this sort of stupidity.

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#23 lebanese_boy
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It's not about the size, it's how you use it ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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#24 Bluestars
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It’s not what it looks like that maters,it’s what’s on the inside

9.2 tflops of 3rd place

HAH

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#25 Chutebox  Online
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I still can't seem to care about its size.

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#26 Pedro  Online
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The PS5 is the largest console ever and its weaker than Series X. Reminds of this gen.🤣

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#27 DaVillain  Moderator
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Uh, okay.

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#28  Edited By Crazy_Chemist
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@Pedro:

Its really not by all that much. I think the power between the xbox360 and PS3 was a bigger difference then both XSX and PS5.

I am just happy that Sony will get some competition again, this could make for some better games down the road.

The only people that will come out on top due to good competition are the gamers, not so much the fanboys. Dont get me wrong, you still need the fanboys just for the entertainment.

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#29 Zaryia
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oh wow ps5 is hideous!

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#30  Edited By StrongDeadlift
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@tormentos said:

That isn't strange at all specially if it is alone fanboy lines.

For example those who cry about the PS5 been huge loved the xbox one which has even a bigger disparity vs the PS4 since it wasn't only much taller it was also thicker.

I don't think it will be much smaller,but fact is this measurement was wrong and people were taking it as true here without even challenging some of the models been completely wrong in size.

Did they? C'mon you gotta stop this "whataboutism" shit over every criticism or percieved slight against Sony lol. Im pretty sure the Xbox One was roundly critisized even by its fans for its unnecessarily grotesque footprint. Do you have any examples of this massive amount of people giving fawning adulations over the original Xbox One's design?

The other day you were butthurt about people giving their honest raw opinions calling the design ugly, and suggesting (im convinced unironically) that it was some coordinated effort to spread "FUD" and besmirch Sony's good name. The whole world isnt part of some massive conspiracy to slight the PS5 breh.

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#31 sealionact
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@tormentos: That these consoles were going to be big was inevitable, so ms did as much as possible to make it as small as

would allow. They ended up with a minimalistic cube, while Sony decided to actually make the footprint bigger than needed with those fins - and the tumor - as well as making it designed to totally split opinions by making it scream "look at me!".

I can see an xsx which is the same shape and colour as my receiver, center speaker and set top box blending in nicely.

I have no idea how to hide the hugeuglytumorstation 5 if I get one, nor how to explain to the wife why it needs to absolutely dominate the living room landscape.

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#32 IMAHAPYHIPPO
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Of all the squabbling over pointless things System Wars has seen over the years, I think this might be the dumbest. It's a box. Put it on your shelf. Play games.

I put this up there with 2014's "the leaves you don't look at are rendered slightly better on the PS4 version of the Tomb Raider port," which got something like three pages of original topics back when nobody had anything to play on their new consoles.

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#33 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@xantufrog said:

I agree - something is wrong with the images. But it'll be a big console. There are no two ways about it. And the thing is - that's probably a great thing for cooling and sound. So don't get wigged out over it

Size of the case has nothing to do with the cooling capabilities, the ability to have air move through regardless of size is the main indication of it having sufficient cooling... And with the rumours we had earlier with the PS5 having heat issues and the now revealed case design its pretty obvious the cooling solution in the PS5 is starved for air.

I am all for design but when it sacrifices performance then its just bad design, the XSX with have a clear path and direction for airflow with plenty of ventilation is a brilliant design, this PS5 with those tiny slits on the front side and maybe some laptop like vents at the back this thing will be loud and will throttle a lot.

We will see BUT this is bad design.

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#34  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
@xantufrog said:

I agree - something is wrong with the images. But it'll be a big console. There are no two ways about it. And the thing is - that's probably a great thing for cooling and sound. So don't get wigged out over it

Size of the case has nothing to do with the cooling capabilities, the ability to have air move through regardless of size is the main indication of it having sufficient cooling... And with the rumours we had earlier with the PS5 having heat issues and the now revealed case design its pretty obvious the cooling solution in the PS5 is starved for air.

I don't see how you can say that - you're going off a rumor, with no clear link to this case design. For all you know, this design is in response to the issues (if they ever existed).

Also yes - size does have something to do with cooling capabilities. For one thing, it allows for bigger slower fans, which are quieter and more efficient. It also allows for larger heat sinks and more room for airflow around individual components. It also allows for heat-generating components to be better spaced from one another, so that there isn't a feedback effect. In sum, for a fixed size and number of components, it becomes increasingly difficult to engineer a cool space the tighter it is. It doesn't mean a large machine is cool, but it's certainly a good reason why a machine might be large in the first place

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#35  Edited By Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@xantufrog said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:
@xantufrog said:

I agree - something is wrong with the images. But it'll be a big console. There are no two ways about it. And the thing is - that's probably a great thing for cooling and sound. So don't get wigged out over it

Size of the case has nothing to do with the cooling capabilities, the ability to have air move through regardless of size is the main indication of it having sufficient cooling... And with the rumours we had earlier with the PS5 having heat issues and the now revealed case design its pretty obvious the cooling solution in the PS5 is starved for air.

I don't see how you can say that - you're going off a rumor, with no clear link to this case design. For all you know, this design is in response to the issues (if they ever existed).

Also yes - size does have something to do with cooling capabilities. For one thing, it allows for bigger slower fans, which are quieter and more efficient. It also allows for larger heat sinks and more room for airflow around individual components. It also allows for heat-generating components to be better spaced from one another, so that there isn't a feedback effect. In sum, for a fixed size and number of components, it becomes increasingly difficult to engineer a cool space the tighter it is. It doesn't mean a large machine is cool, but it's certainly a good reason why a machine might be large in the first place

Its bad design because regardless of how big the heat sink or fan they aren't getting enough air and would benefit with more airflow.

I am NOT saying the internal parts aren't being cooled with sufficient hardware, I am saying that the hardware used would be better off with direct airflow through more ventilation its literally always the case excuse the pun.

PC cases with 2-3 times the internal space of this with 140mm fans on the CPU heatsink with 6-8 large heatpipes and a GPU with its own cooling solution... Are affected DRASTICALLY by removing the front panel or out on a front panel with enough ventilation holes so the fans can suck in cool air.

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The simple fact of the matter is its a mass produced console that already is on a tight budget, they do not have high end cooling solutions so couple that with a case design with no direct ventilation to the fans... Your in for a ride, either HOT or loud.

Fans are PWM now so depending on the temperature in the case/room the fans will ramp up, so by limiting the direct airflow in the case with little to no real ventilation you are taking the risk of the fans having to ramp up in RPM which will increase the db of the console.

Its simple really.

The PS5 like all consoles in the past have put more effort in making sure the console looks like a cool console rather than it being cooled effectively.

I mean the released a PS4 then 3-4 years later made the same f***ing mistake with the PS4 which fans are a nightmare now they show a PS5 no ventilation?...

Poor design.

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#36 hardwenzen
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Such a large console, but with only 9.2tflops. I wonder what was the decision behind it. Was it Cerny's mistake?

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#37 Willy105
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We already have better measurement units than the metric system.

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#38 Sagemode87
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@Litchie: Your opinion bro. It looks futuristic. One of the best looking and boldest consoles design since PS2. Series X just looks like a black brick.

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#39 Sagemode87
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@hardwenzen: Sony says 10.3 so well go with that, thanks!

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#40 Xabiss
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If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, well its a duck. I can't wait ti preorder the PS5 but it is ugly as hell.

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#41 xantufrog  Moderator
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: yes I know all that - I'm a PC gamer too. But where are you getting the evidence that it's inadequately cooled? It appears to be completely ringed by ventilation, which, in theory could support excellent airflow pulled by a large fan across a large heatsink. It's almost the height of a midsized tower, it would appear, and could in effect behave in a very good way - it has the opposite of the "open side" problem you laid out. The question is whether it's vented in an efficient way, not too open.

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#42 hardwenzen
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@Sagemode87 said:

@hardwenzen: Sony says 10.3 so well go with that, thanks!

When the gpu is overclocked. When its overclocked, the cpu is downclocked. Worst of both worlds.

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#43 ConanTheStoner
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- Fanboys

- Logic

Pick one.

And damn Tormo has a manly thumb. Would make Ghosts blush.

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Imagine spending part of your day arguing about stuff like this. Yikes.

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#45  Edited By Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@xantufrog said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: yes I know all that - I'm a PC gamer too. But where are you getting the evidence that it's inadequately cooled? It appears to be completely ringed by ventilation, which, in theory could support excellent airflow pulled by a large fan across a large heatsink. It's almost the height of a midsized tower, it would appear, and could in effect behave in a very good way - it has the opposite of the "open side" problem you laid out. The question is whether it's vented in an efficient way, not too open.

I'm am just loosely guesstimating and connected rumour dots with the design no value to it other than just me throwing things out.

As for the design that "could" support excellent airflow... Nope it can't, airflow is pretty black and white you either have the entire fan open or closed everything else in between is measurement.

Its got vents that's all I can say about it but what ever cooling it has inside regardless of size is going to have to work overtime in comparison to have proper ventilation for the intake fan.

My case:

Even with all that high end cooling inside... I drop 10c by removing the side panel, because those 2x 200mm fans are being starved.

Now if I had stock cooling and a cheaper case with 1 front fan and little ventilation?... Yeah throttling on the CPU 100% and that one PWM fan would be working at 100% RPM.

The above is what looks like what will happen to PS5... One little 120mm fan working overtime to cool a entire SOC.

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#46  Edited By Zaryia
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What the hell is wrong with your thumb.

Sony fans are mutants.

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#47 xantufrog  Moderator
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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: I think you're confusing my comment as claiming this was a wonderful design or will run as cool as a good rig.

I will bet you it is substantially quieter than the PS4, or cooler, or tuned to be both a little quieter+cooler combined (slower/suboptimal fan speed).

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I don't want to thumb shame anyone but damn!

Anyway, Tormy is just insane.

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#49 master_shakeog
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@zaryia:

You're thumb shaming.

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#50 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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The amount of memes spawning from the reveal have been great. People drawing dimensions from scaling USB ports is pretty... dedicated. I wish I had that much time to waste.