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#1 sakaiXx
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Come on Sony fix this shit. Not only this game but so many games that missed out on proper next gen support cause of some weird BC programing or policy. How hard is it for PS5 ver to detect and use custom settings.

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#2  Edited By sakaiXx
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By the way not to get confused, the release version is the BC version. Next gen ver is on the way ~

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There is a Xbox team dedicated to getting these boosted 120fps back compat games running correctly. PlayStation doesn't do that, or offer the tools to devs to make it happen. Xbox deserves all the credit in the world for their all around support so far this gen. I really wish they had the production end figured out, because this console race would be far more interesting if they could match, or exceed the hardware output of the competition.

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#4 Pedro
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Does the Series X run in 4K?

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#5 hrt_rulz01
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If it wasn't for MS, the PS5 wouldn't be BC at all.

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#6 Pedro
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@hrt_rulz01 said:

If it wasn't for MS, the PS5 wouldn't be BC at all.

Just imagine how shitty that would have been.

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#8 Pedro
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Here are the two versions

Xbox Series X

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PS5 1080p

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

If it wasn't for MS, the PS5 wouldn't be BC at all.

Wait didn't ps2 have full BC with the ps1 and launch ps3 had a builtin ps2 hardware? They used BC before xbox one started doing it

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@ProtossRushX said:

Wait didn't ps2 have full BC with the ps1 and launch ps3 had a builtin ps2 hardware? They used BC before xbox one started doing it

They don't have BC for the PS4.

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#11 Archangel3371
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Yeah I find it pretty disappointing how they currently view backwards compatibility. They have such a rich history of great games from their previous generations of hardware that they could tap into and really take advantage of.

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@Pedro said:

Does the Series X run in 4K?

it runs 4k60 while one X is 4k30 if I am not mistaken. Looking at bright side PS5 ver should be perfect 60fps 😂😭

I think someone mentioned 120fps ver for next gen release but I might be wrong.

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@girlusocrazy said:

What's stopping devs from releasing PS5 versions anyway? Unlike Xbox, the SDK was ready from the beginning and a straightforward transition from the PS4 developer environment.

Speaking as part of a digital EGX Panel, however, Digital Foundry’s Richard Leadbetter shared some good news for early PS5 adopters. “Every single developer I've spoken to developing for PS5 has been evangelising how easy it is to work for,” he said. “It’s essentially the same development environment as PS4 and you scale up from there, for the new powers, the features, and whatnot. I can't stress enough how happy developers seem to be with this situation.”

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So what's the real issue?

With current releases there are native PS5 versions coming at a later date. Anyway this scenario won't last as the new generation becomes the priority and cross gen games fade.

Time is stopping them from having a native ps5 version out at launch, they obviously prioritized the versions that most buyers will be playing the game on. You even pin pointed the issue yourself, ps5 version needs a dedicated sku to be able to take more benefits of the new hardware, Xbox fares better in that regard when it comes to running last gen sku's.

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Looks awful on the PS5. And people still think that resolution is just hype🤷‍♀️

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@hardwenzen said:

Looks awful on the PS5. And people still think that resolution is just hype🤷‍♀️

Only when it doesn't favor their plastic box!!

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@hardwenzen said:

Looks awful on the PS5. And people still think that resolution is just hype🤷‍♀️

1080p upscaled to 4k is pretty good for obvious reasons.

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Another easy win for Xbox. 😉

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Hopefully the next gen update won't take too long, it sucks but it is what it is. But we were playing 1080p games until recently and nobody died or went blind from it.

If the deranged anti Xbox crew spent more time demanding from the brand they actually want to buy a console from instead of attacking Xbox because "no one wants to play old games" maybe they would end up with a better console and services.

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3rd placestation

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Sony continue to make me want a Series X more and more while making their console look garbage in comparison.

A great game every year is great but this is a joke.

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@ProtossRushX said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

If it wasn't for MS, the PS5 wouldn't be BC at all.

Wait didn't ps2 have full BC with the ps1 and launch ps3 had a builtin ps2 hardware? They used BC before xbox one started doing it

Yea, the youngins tend to forget their history.

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Feeling so sorry for the bovine brigade I went searching high and low but alas, breaks are still sold out everywhere with no sign of restock in sight.

lol :P

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Yet another demonstration of Sony doing whatever it takes to upset their fan base.

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Isn't Returnal also 1080p at 60 fps? That can't be blamed on "bc problems" so let's just face the fact that PS5 is a 1080p at 60 fps machine.

It's like a PS4 Pro slapped with a SSD.

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#26  Edited By my_user_name
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@ProtossRushX said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

If it wasn't for MS, the PS5 wouldn't be BC at all.

Wait didn't ps2 have full BC with the ps1 and launch ps3 had a builtin ps2 hardware? They used BC before xbox one started doing it

Yes ...and then they also axed it.... and conveniently started remastering games shortly after.

Ofcourse the only reason MS brought bc back was due to the Xb1 getting trounced in the sales department.

Anyways don't really care about this particular instance. I read that Shadow of the Colossus has issues running on PS5, that's a much bigger concern to me.

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But sony fans don't play old games so it doesn't matter.

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#28 Pedro
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Does this mean the PS5 and Series S is performing on the same level?😎

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#29  Edited By deactivated-60bf765068a74
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@Pedro said:
@ProtossRushX said:

Wait didn't ps2 have full BC with the ps1 and launch ps3 had a builtin ps2 hardware? They used BC before xbox one started doing it

They don't have BC for the PS4.

They have PS2 on PS4 classics like GTA's and dark cloud an stuff do you even have a ps4?

Plus tons of ps3 games on PS Now.

It also has some PS1 games like SOTN and FF7 and megaman x4 some snes games like contra 3 an megaman x

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@Pedro: it's a sad day when your next big console is running on par with Microsoft's paperweight small console :P

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@ProtossRushX: re-selling the game like that is the bare minimum compared to what Xbox offer.

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@ProtossRushX said:

They have PS2 on PS4 classics like GTA's and dark cloud an stuff do you even have a ps4?

Plus tons of ps3 games on PS Now.

It also has some PS1 games like SOTN and FF7 and megaman x4 some snes games like contra 3 an megaman x

They don't have BC for the PS4.

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#34 SecretPolice
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@iamdavey said:

@Pedro: it's a sad day when your next big console is running on par with Microsoft's paperweight small console :P

Oh burn!!

lol :P

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#35  Edited By deactivated-60bf765068a74
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@Pedro said:
@ProtossRushX said:

They have PS2 on PS4 classics like GTA's and dark cloud an stuff do you even have a ps4?

Plus tons of ps3 games on PS Now.

It also has some PS1 games like SOTN and FF7 and megaman x4 some snes games like contra 3 an megaman x

They don't have BC for the PS4.

That is backwards compatibile being able to play old games on a new system...you have to rebuy physical games on xs s it doesn't have a disc drive its still BC tho you just have to rebuy old games without upgrades while on ps4 you rebuy them and got a ton of upgrades

ones good BC the other is trash BC...

you've said in the past bloodborne is on PC with PS Now now your saying PS Now doesn't count for BC does it count for blood borne but not BC why? It plays PS3 games just like it plays bloodborne stop tit for tatting either it does things or it doesn't.

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@ProtossRushX said:

That is backwards compatibile being able to play old games on a new system...you have to rebuy physical games on xs s it doesn't have a disc drive its still BC tho you just have to rebuy old games without upgrades while on ps4 you rebuy them and got a ton of upgrades

ones good BC the other is trash BC...

you've said in the past bloodborne is on PC with PS Now now your saying PS Now doesn't count for BC does it count for blood borne but not BC why? It plays PS3 games just like it plays bloodborne stop tit for tatting either it does things or it doesn't.

The PS4 doesn't have BC.

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@Pedro said:
@ProtossRushX said:

That is backwards compatibile being able to play old games on a new system...you have to rebuy physical games on xs s it doesn't have a disc drive its still BC tho you just have to rebuy old games without upgrades while on ps4 you rebuy them and got a ton of upgrades

ones good BC the other is trash BC...

you've said in the past bloodborne is on PC with PS Now now your saying PS Now doesn't count for BC does it count for blood borne but not BC why? It plays PS3 games just like it plays bloodborne stop tit for tatting either it does things or it doesn't.

The PS4 doesn't have BC.

It plays a bunch of ps1 ps2 ps3 games what is that than? Playing old games or not?

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#38 PC_Rocks
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Are you saying Sony has chimps for software engineers?

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#39 Pedro
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@ProtossRushX said:

It plays a bunch of ps1 ps2 ps3 games what is that than? Playing old games or not?

The PS4 doesn't have BC.

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Streaming and bc are 2 different techniques.

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@hardwenzen said:

Looks awful on the PS5. And people still think that resolution is just hype🤷‍♀️

Not really. The Series X does look better, but it's no where near as bad on PS5 as this post implies.

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@shellcase86 said:
@hardwenzen said:

Looks awful on the PS5. And people still think that resolution is just hype🤷‍♀️

Not really. The Series X does look better, but it's no where near as bad on PS5 as this post implies.

Disagree. Look at the distance, its fuzzy as hell.

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@shellcase86: I didnt say it looks bad I am only criticizing sony BC efforts causing features to be held back.

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#44 Pedro
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@shellcase86: I didnt say it looks bad I am only criticizing sony BC efforts causing features to be held back.

How could you be so mean to Sony? Stop being a Xbox fanboy. 😁😎

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#45  Edited By sakaiXx
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@Pedro said:
@sakaixx said:

@shellcase86: I didnt say it looks bad I am only criticizing sony BC efforts causing features to be held back.

How could you be so mean to Sony? Stop being a Xbox fanboy. 😁😎

People already have misconception I am a nintendo hater too sigh 🥱🥱

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#46 Pedro
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@sakaixx said:

People already have misconception I am a nintendo hater too sigh 🥱🥱

I thought I was the Nintendo hater. 😥

A side note, the PS5 is running this game at a lower resolution than the One X. 😮

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@Pedro said:
@sakaixx said:

People already have misconception I am a nintendo hater too sigh 🥱🥱

I thought I was the Nintendo hater. 😥

A side note, the PS5 is running this game at a lower resolution than the One X. 😮

First Mass Effect Legendary Edition, now this. Cows just can't catch a break. 😂`

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@ProtossRushX: Yes, but then Sony stopped doing it and seemed resistant to do it going forward. Again, if it wasn't for MS, the PS5 wouldn't be BC.

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

If it wasn't for MS, the PS5 wouldn't be BC at all.

If it wasn't for Sony, MS wouldn't have been so gamer-friendly and prioritize BC as well. Competition at its best.

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#50 Silentchief
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Sorry but that's just shitty programming. They could have just released the game with a dynamic resolution and the PS5 would have been fine.