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#1  Edited By Liquid_
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This...

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/how-to-buy-a-new-xbox-one-for-175/1100-6426937/

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@SecretPolice said:

This...

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/how-to-buy-a-new-xbox-one-for-175/1100-6426937/

Okay? You need a 360 or PS3.

This is automatically discounted.

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I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

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@Liquid_: I cant find a single reason why to buy an X1 even at 200$. PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation with Wii U being second ( though Wii U is heading to its death therefore making it very unappealing for me )

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I would never buy a used anything. I don't do second hand items.

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@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

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@AzatiS said:

@Liquid_: I cant find a single reason why to buy an X1 even at 200$. PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation with Wii U being second ( though Wii U is heading to its death therefore making it very unappealing for me )

'PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation'

Nice opinion considering it isn't doing much better than the xbone in the games department.

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#9 Legend002
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I bought a new Xbox for $245 w/employee discount and promo coupon. This really isn't a door buster being refurbished. People on the fence might want to wait until after e3 since it is so close now. We might even see a new SKU soon. Maybe 1TB of HDD space?

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#10 SecretPolice
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@Liquid_ said:
@SecretPolice said:

This...

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/how-to-buy-a-new-xbox-one-for-175/1100-6426937/

Okay? You need a 360 or PS3.

This is automatically discounted.

Sure, sure but there's what like 100 million of them out there so shouldn't be too hard to come up with a few hundred thousand who would do the trade in plus you could likely replace it next year with $99.99 models. :P

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It will break again

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@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

I've played mine a ton. *shrug*

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@Heil68 said:

@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

I've played mine a ton. *shrug*

Yes, but you also probably get an erection every time you hear the words "long live play". lol

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While you are contemplating this great deal, listen to this.

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I for one might get another one just to have it.

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@AzatiS said:

@Liquid_: I cant find a single reason why to buy an X1 even at 200$. PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation with Wii U being second ( though Wii U is heading to its death therefore making it very unappealing for me )

'PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation'

Nice opinion considering it isn't doing much better than the xbone in the games department.

Its not opinion , its a fact. PS4 is the console of choice and sales proving that. How is an opinion ? Lol...

And games are coming , dont worry. What is not coming is X1s momentum ... MS in a year did more price cuts and bundles and free games than they did in the past 2 generations ... combined ! And still they cant make it. And you really think if this continue for a year or 2 , 3rd party developers wont focus on PS4 ? Just wait and see ... This generation will be another PS2 like domination if MS wont turn this around soon , somehow ... pray to god is the last thing left imho.

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@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

I've played mine a ton. *shrug*

Yes, but you also probably get an erection every time you hear the words "long live play". lol

You need to learn it to develop fully.

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no thanks

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@AzatiS said:

@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@Liquid_: I cant find a single reason why to buy an X1 even at 200$. PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation with Wii U being second ( though Wii U is heading to its death therefore making it very unappealing for me )

'PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation'

Nice opinion considering it isn't doing much better than the xbone in the games department.

Its not opinion , its a fact. PS4 is the console of choice and sales proving that. How is an opinion ? Lol...

And games are coming , dont worry. What is not coming is X1s momentum ... MS in a year did more price cuts and bundles and free games than they did in the past 2 generations ... combined ! And still they cant make it. And you really think if this continue for a year or 2 , 3rd party developers wont focus on PS4 ? Just wait and see ... This generation will be another PS2 like domination if MS wont turn this around soon , somehow ... pray to god is the last thing left imho.

MS don't need to turn it around the Xbone is doing as well as any other console has done at this point in it's lifespan, the Ps4 is an Exception to the rule according to forbes

'It’s exceedingly rare that a new video game console would immediately start printing money from its hardware alone this soon after launch. Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case, and a typical console launch looks more like what Microsoft is experiencing now (not to mention there are still larger problems with Sony itself that drag down the accomplishments of their video game division).'

'Now, over time, Microsoft will earn back the money its invested to launch the Xbox One. They’ll do so through hardware eventually. The console will get cheaper to make, and they’ll be able to make more money on each unit as a result. Microsoft will earn money from software sales over time, and naturally, from the millions of practically permanent Xbox Live Gold subscriptions that are a huge golden goose for them.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/11/why-its-perfectly-fine-if-microsoft-has-lost-400m-on-xbox-one/

Microsoft don't really care that the Ps4 is beating the Xbone, they only care about revenue and making a Profit.

Just because the PS4 is outselling it doesn't mean it's doing badly in it's own right, the Ps4 i selling faster than any other console in history so by that logic every other console ever released did badly, including the Ps1 and Ps2

Anyway, i digress, From a sales perspective you are right i suppose but from a games perspective, no way, neither of these consoles is the console of choice, for me at the moment that would be the Wii-U.

Getting a PS vita first though, must play dragons crown.

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@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@Liquid_: I cant find a single reason why to buy an X1 even at 200$. PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation with Wii U being second ( though Wii U is heading to its death therefore making it very unappealing for me )

'PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation'

Nice opinion considering it isn't doing much better than the xbone in the games department.

Its not opinion , its a fact. PS4 is the console of choice and sales proving that. How is an opinion ? Lol...

And games are coming , dont worry. What is not coming is X1s momentum ... MS in a year did more price cuts and bundles and free games than they did in the past 2 generations ... combined ! And still they cant make it. And you really think if this continue for a year or 2 , 3rd party developers wont focus on PS4 ? Just wait and see ... This generation will be another PS2 like domination if MS wont turn this around soon , somehow ... pray to god is the last thing left imho.

MS don't need to turn it around the Xbone is doing as well as any other console has done at this point in it's lifespan, the Ps4 is an Exception to the rule according to forbes

'It’s exceedingly rare that a new video game console would immediately start printing money from its hardware alone this soon after launch. Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case, and a typical console launch looks more like what Microsoft is experiencing now (not to mention there are still larger problems with Sony itself that drag down the accomplishments of their video game division).'

'Now, over time, Microsoft will earn back the money its invested to launch the Xbox One. They’ll do so through hardware eventually. The console will get cheaper to make, and they’ll be able to make more money on each unit as a result. Microsoft will earn money from software sales over time, and naturally, from the millions of practically permanent Xbox Live Gold subscriptions that are a huge golden goose for them.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/11/why-its-perfectly-fine-if-microsoft-has-lost-400m-on-xbox-one/

Microsoft don't really care that the Ps4 is beating the Xbone, they only care about revenue and making a Profit.

Just because the PS4 is outselling it doesn't mean it's doing badly in it's own right, the Ps4 i selling faster than any other console in history so by that logic every other console ever released did badly, including the Ps1 and Ps2

Anyway, i digress, From a sales perspective you are right i suppose but from a games perspective, no way, neither of these consoles is the console of choice, for me at the moment that would be the Wii-U.

Getting a PS vita first though, must play dragons crown.

All those price cuts , kinectless versions , massive free bundle games ... in its first year screams ... panic !

By your logic if MS didnt even care they wouldnt

1 ) Reverse their original policies

2) Drop the kinect price

3) Remove kinect

4) Drop the already cheaper kinectless versions price further

5) Massive bundles with free games and further cut prices thru coupons etc etc ..

And all these things happened in its first year in the market .... This my friend called panic ..

Anyways , youll get what i mean in 2016/17 and beyond , till then ... Lets watch what happens. I dont own VITA and i dont know Dragons crown.

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I got mine with 3 games and kinect for that price off MS official store. It was that price for almost the entire holiday season

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@AzatiS said:

@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@Liquid_: I cant find a single reason why to buy an X1 even at 200$. PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation with Wii U being second ( though Wii U is heading to its death therefore making it very unappealing for me )

'PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation'

Nice opinion considering it isn't doing much better than the xbone in the games department.

Its not opinion , its a fact. PS4 is the console of choice and sales proving that. How is an opinion ? Lol...

And games are coming , dont worry. What is not coming is X1s momentum ... MS in a year did more price cuts and bundles and free games than they did in the past 2 generations ... combined ! And still they cant make it. And you really think if this continue for a year or 2 , 3rd party developers wont focus on PS4 ? Just wait and see ... This generation will be another PS2 like domination if MS wont turn this around soon , somehow ... pray to god is the last thing left imho.

MS don't need to turn it around the Xbone is doing as well as any other console has done at this point in it's lifespan, the Ps4 is an Exception to the rule according to forbes

'It’s exceedingly rare that a new video game console would immediately start printing money from its hardware alone this soon after launch. Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case, and a typical console launch looks more like what Microsoft is experiencing now (not to mention there are still larger problems with Sony itself that drag down the accomplishments of their video game division).'

'Now, over time, Microsoft will earn back the money its invested to launch the Xbox One. They’ll do so through hardware eventually. The console will get cheaper to make, and they’ll be able to make more money on each unit as a result. Microsoft will earn money from software sales over time, and naturally, from the millions of practically permanent Xbox Live Gold subscriptions that are a huge golden goose for them.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/11/why-its-perfectly-fine-if-microsoft-has-lost-400m-on-xbox-one/

Microsoft don't really care that the Ps4 is beating the Xbone, they only care about revenue and making a Profit.

Just because the PS4 is outselling it doesn't mean it's doing badly in it's own right, the Ps4 i selling faster than any other console in history so by that logic every other console ever released did badly, including the Ps1 and Ps2

Anyway, i digress, From a sales perspective you are right i suppose but from a games perspective, no way, neither of these consoles is the console of choice, for me at the moment that would be the Wii-U.

Getting a PS vita first though, must play dragons crown.

All those price cuts , kinectless versions , massive free bundle games ... in its first year screams ... panic !

By your logic if MS didnt even care they wouldnt

1 ) Reverse their original policies

2) Drop the kinect price

3) Remove kinect

4) Drop the already cheaper kinectless versions price further

5) Massive bundles with free games and further cut prices thru coupons etc etc ..

And all these things happened in its first year in the market .... This my friend called panic ..

Anyways , youll get what i mean in 2016/17 and beyond , till then ... Lets watch what happens. I dont own VITA and i dont know Dragons crown.

All those things are done to Increase sales yes, obviously, more sales of hardware equals more Profits from software and Gold subscriptions, it's not panic at all.

'it costs a lot of money to develop, market and release a new console. As such, it’s fairly standard to expect to lose money on a system at first, given that Microsoft is playing the long game here.'

'Microsoft’s collection of anti-fans loves to use any opportunity to try and take the company down a peg. The detractors of Nintendo or Sony do the same when the headlines suit them. But the reality is far less sinister than the big numbers and alarmist forecasts suggest. The truth? It’s perfectly normal for Microsoft to lose even a hefty sum when launching a new platform like the Xbox One.'

'It’s exceedingly rare that a new video game console would immediately start printing money from its hardware alone this soon after launch. Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case, and a typical console launch looks more like what Microsoft is experiencing now (not to mention there are still larger problems with Sony itself that drag down the accomplishments of their video game division).'

'Now, over time, Microsoft will earn back the money its invested to launch the Xbox One. They’ll do so through hardware eventually. The console will get cheaper to make, and they’ll be able to make more money on each unit as a result. Microsoft will earn money from software sales over time, and naturally, from the millions of practically permanent Xbox Live Gold subscriptions that are a huge golden goose for them.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/11/why-its-perfectly-fine-if-microsoft-has-lost-400m-on-xbox-one/

'Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case'

Exception, not the rule, do you honestly think MS does not realize this?

'Microsoft will earn money from software sales over time, and naturally, from the millions of practically permanent Xbox Live Gold subscriptions that are a huge golden goose for them.'

cheaper console=More consoles sold= more XBL subscriptions=more money, Microsoft are prepared to sell the hardware at a loss because the real money is in the gold subscriptions.

You are confusing good business sense with Panic, MS have no reason to panic, Being first in sales is not what brings the money in.

'given that Microsoft is playing the long game here.'

I doubt they would be panicking this early on playing the long game.

Only on this board is it a competition mate, not in the real world, you don't see either nintendo, MS or SONY shouting that they Won a console generation do you?

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@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@Liquid_: I cant find a single reason why to buy an X1 even at 200$. PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation with Wii U being second ( though Wii U is heading to its death therefore making it very unappealing for me )

'PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation'

Nice opinion considering it isn't doing much better than the xbone in the games department.

Meanwhile you can get a Alienware Alpha for $450 on amazon that not only plays on par or better than said consoles, but is a fully functional pc with the ability to play games that have released on the platform for the past 15 years..

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I wouldn't buy that pile of shit for $1. I'm rough on ps4, but xbone is even worse some how.

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@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

Well if you like kiddy games then you are correct. Stick to your wii u. Some of us like new ips not the same old used and abused rehased nintendo rubbish.

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@Jankarcop said:

I wouldn't buy that pile of shit for $1. I'm rough on ps4, but xbone is even worse some how.

Your rough all round.

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Not really interested in buying anything refurbished. Especially not with a crappy 90 day warranty.

Still funny to watch people try to act like MS is having a fire sale with the Xbone, while the PS4 isn't getting discounts and bundles all over the place also...fanboys. They really only see what they want to see don't they?

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Still $34 too much.

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@coasterguy65 said:

Not really interested in buying anything refurbished. Especially not with a crappy 90 day warranty.

Still funny to watch people try to act like MS is having a fire sale with the Xbone, while the PS4 isn't getting discounts and bundles all over the place also...fanboys. They really only see what they want to see don't they?

Where I live I can get a xbone with two games a year of live and 3 downloadable games at half the price of a ps4 console with one game.

Microsoft struggling alright. lol

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@highking_kallor said:

@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

Well if you like kiddy games then you are correct. Stick to your wii u. Some of us like new ips not the same old used and abused rehased nintendo rubbish.

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#30  Edited By coasterguy65
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@highking_kallor said:

@coasterguy65 said:

Not really interested in buying anything refurbished. Especially not with a crappy 90 day warranty.

Still funny to watch people try to act like MS is having a fire sale with the Xbone, while the PS4 isn't getting discounts and bundles all over the place also...fanboys. They really only see what they want to see don't they?

Where I live I can get a xbone with two games a year of live and 3 downloadable games at half the price of a ps4 console with one game.

Microsoft struggling alright. lol

Not really the point I was making, but anyway. So, what you are saying in your statement is you can get a Brand New Xbone with with two games, a year of live, and 3 downloadable games where you live for $200? Half the price of a $400 PS4 with TLoU.

I call BULLSHIT !!! Link it, and prove me wrong.

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#31  Edited By Captainqwark10
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Why look at this when major Nelson tweeted a new for sale for a New factory Xbox: https://twitter.com/majornelson/status/593113903803928576

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@highking_kallor said:

@Jankarcop said:

I wouldn't buy that pile of shit for $1. I'm rough on ps4, but xbone is even worse some how.

Yourrough all round.

My what?

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The X1 is not even worth 150$ for me, PC,PS4 or WiiU is the real deal

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@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@delta3074 said:

@AzatiS said:

@Liquid_: I cant find a single reason why to buy an X1 even at 200$. PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation with Wii U being second ( though Wii U is heading to its death therefore making it very unappealing for me )

'PS4 is the console of choice by far this generation'

Nice opinion considering it isn't doing much better than the xbone in the games department.

Its not opinion , its a fact. PS4 is the console of choice and sales proving that. How is an opinion ? Lol...

And games are coming , dont worry. What is not coming is X1s momentum ... MS in a year did more price cuts and bundles and free games than they did in the past 2 generations ... combined ! And still they cant make it. And you really think if this continue for a year or 2 , 3rd party developers wont focus on PS4 ? Just wait and see ... This generation will be another PS2 like domination if MS wont turn this around soon , somehow ... pray to god is the last thing left imho.

MS don't need to turn it around the Xbone is doing as well as any other console has done at this point in it's lifespan, the Ps4 is an Exception to the rule according to forbes

'It’s exceedingly rare that a new video game console would immediately start printing money from its hardware alone this soon after launch. Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case, and a typical console launch looks more like what Microsoft is experiencing now (not to mention there are still larger problems with Sony itself that drag down the accomplishments of their video game division).'

'Now, over time, Microsoft will earn back the money its invested to launch the Xbox One. They’ll do so through hardware eventually. The console will get cheaper to make, and they’ll be able to make more money on each unit as a result. Microsoft will earn money from software sales over time, and naturally, from the millions of practically permanent Xbox Live Gold subscriptions that are a huge golden goose for them.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/11/why-its-perfectly-fine-if-microsoft-has-lost-400m-on-xbox-one/

Microsoft don't really care that the Ps4 is beating the Xbone, they only care about revenue and making a Profit.

Just because the PS4 is outselling it doesn't mean it's doing badly in it's own right, the Ps4 i selling faster than any other console in history so by that logic every other console ever released did badly, including the Ps1 and Ps2

Anyway, i digress, From a sales perspective you are right i suppose but from a games perspective, no way, neither of these consoles is the console of choice, for me at the moment that would be the Wii-U.

Getting a PS vita first though, must play dragons crown.

All those price cuts , kinectless versions , massive free bundle games ... in its first year screams ... panic !

By your logic if MS didnt even care they wouldnt

1 ) Reverse their original policies

2) Drop the kinect price

3) Remove kinect

4) Drop the already cheaper kinectless versions price further

5) Massive bundles with free games and further cut prices thru coupons etc etc ..

And all these things happened in its first year in the market .... This my friend called panic ..

Anyways , youll get what i mean in 2016/17 and beyond , till then ... Lets watch what happens. I dont own VITA and i dont know Dragons crown.

All those things are done to Increase sales yes, obviously, more sales of hardware equals more Profits from software and Gold subscriptions, it's not panic at all.

'it costs a lot of money to develop, market and release a new console. As such, it’s fairly standard to expect to lose money on a system at first, given that Microsoft is playing the long game here.'

'Microsoft’s collection of anti-fans loves to use any opportunity to try and take the company down a peg. The detractors of Nintendo or Sony do the same when the headlines suit them. But the reality is far less sinister than the big numbers and alarmist forecasts suggest. The truth? It’s perfectly normal for Microsoft to lose even a hefty sum when launching a new platform like the Xbox One.'

'It’s exceedingly rare that a new video game console would immediately start printing money from its hardware alone this soon after launch. Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case, and a typical console launch looks more like what Microsoft is experiencing now (not to mention there are still larger problems with Sony itself that drag down the accomplishments of their video game division).'

'Now, over time, Microsoft will earn back the money its invested to launch the Xbox One. They’ll do so through hardware eventually. The console will get cheaper to make, and they’ll be able to make more money on each unit as a result. Microsoft will earn money from software sales over time, and naturally, from the millions of practically permanent Xbox Live Gold subscriptions that are a huge golden goose for them.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/08/11/why-its-perfectly-fine-if-microsoft-has-lost-400m-on-xbox-one/

'Sony may be having better luck with the PS4, but they’re the exception, not the rule in this case'

Exception, not the rule, do you honestly think MS does not realize this?

'Microsoft will earn money from software sales over time, and naturally, from the millions of practically permanent Xbox Live Gold subscriptions that are a huge golden goose for them.'

cheaper console=More consoles sold= more XBL subscriptions=more money, Microsoft are prepared to sell the hardware at a loss because the real money is in the gold subscriptions.

You are confusing good business sense with Panic, MS have no reason to panic, Being first in sales is not what brings the money in.

'given that Microsoft is playing the long game here.'

I doubt they would be panicking this early on playing the long game.

Only on this board is it a competition mate, not in the real world, you don't see either nintendo, MS or SONY shouting that they Won a console generation do you?

In my books it is panic and big time ... All these cuts , reverses , bundles , free games and coupons again and again and again ... Why to do that when they dont care how far PS4 goes and when X1 is profitable ? Something isnt right dont you agree ?

Thats far from good business if you asking me .... System isnt selling as it supposed to and they trying desperatly to do that by all these things i mentioned. The funny thing about it is that ... they cant make it still .. and im not even talking about worldwide scale but rather for their "own" territory ( US/UK) ... ! All its left is HALO ..and im very curious to see what happens when it gets a release.

The results of X1s low sales ( assuming will continue in 2015/16 ) will be seen in late 2016 and beyond. What i mean ? More and more 3rd party developers will focus on PS4 system either as the lead system for their multis or even worse bring their games on PS4 as exclusives or time exclusives. If PS4 keep selling at this pace into 2015/16 ... well say goodbye to X1 pretty early this generation. If somehow they can make it up with HALO or something it has a chance to keep it up for longer.

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R3FURBISHED, what?

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@inb4uall said:

@highking_kallor said:

@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

Well if you like kiddy games then you are correct. Stick to your wii u. Some of us like new ips not the same old used and abused rehased nintendo rubbish.

"

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up"

-C.S. Lewis

You seem upset. Its just a toy mate.

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@highking_kallor said:

@inb4uall said:

@highking_kallor said:

@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

Well if you like kiddy games then you are correct. Stick to your wii u. Some of us like new ips not the same old used and abused rehased nintendo rubbish.

"

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up"

-C.S. Lewis

You seem upset. Its just a toy mate.

Lol what? I gave you a quote from a famous author and that makes me mad? Come back when you can troll better than throwing out random "you mad?" statements.

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#38 highking_kallor
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@coasterguy65 said:

@highking_kallor said:

@coasterguy65 said:

Not really interested in buying anything refurbished. Especially not with a crappy 90 day warranty.

Still funny to watch people try to act like MS is having a fire sale with the Xbone, while the PS4 isn't getting discounts and bundles all over the place also...fanboys. They really only see what they want to see don't they?

Where I live I can get a xbone with two games a year of live and 3 downloadable games at half the price of a ps4 console with one game.

Microsoft struggling alright. lol

Not really the point I was making, but anyway. So, what you are saying in your statement is you can get a Brand New Xbone with with two games, a year of live, and 3 downloadable games where you live for $200? Half the price of a $400 PS4 with TLoU.

I call BULLSHIT !!! Link it, and prove me wrong.

lol. You seem to think I give a **** if you believe me.

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@inb4uall said:

@highking_kallor said:

@inb4uall said:

@highking_kallor said:

@inb4uall said:

@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

Ehh ps4 and xbone should be okay. Neither have anything worth playing so they probably didn't get much use the first time around.

Well if you like kiddy games then you are correct. Stick to your wii u. Some of us like new ips not the same old used and abused rehased nintendo rubbish.

"

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up"

-C.S. Lewis

You seem upset. Its just a toy mate.

Lol what? I gave you a quote from a famous author and that makes me mad? Come back when you can troll better than throwing out random "you mad?" statements.

You are obsessed with kids games and kids authors. Hope you dont have kids or I would be worried.

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#40  Edited By NyaDC
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@AzatiS said:

In my books it is panic and big time ... All these cuts , reverses , bundles , free games and coupons again and again and again ... Why to do that when they dont care how far PS4 goes and when X1 is profitable ? Something isnt right dont you agree ?

Thats far from good business if you asking me .... System isnt selling as it supposed to and they trying desperatly to do that by all these things i mentioned. The funny thing about it is that ... they cant make it still .. and im not even talking about worldwide scale but rather for their "own" territory ( US/UK) ... ! All its left is HALO ..and im very curious to see what happens when it gets a release.

The results of X1s low sales ( assuming will continue in 2015/16 ) will be seen in late 2016 and beyond. What i mean ? More and more 3rd party developers will focus on PS4 system either as the lead system for their multis or even worse bring their games on PS4 as exclusives or time exclusives. If PS4 keep selling at this pace into 2015/16 ... well say goodbye to X1 pretty early this generation. If somehow they can make it up with HALO or something it has a chance to keep it up for longer.

Companies like Microsoft don't panic, this is simply a case of "Okay this route doesn't seem to be working and people are not liking it, let's try something else." Calling it panic is a gross dramatization to amplify the seriousness of the situation Microsoft is facing and making it look considerably worse.

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@nyadc said:

@AzatiS said:

In my books it is panic and big time ... All these cuts , reverses , bundles , free games and coupons again and again and again ... Why to do that when they dont care how far PS4 goes and when X1 is profitable ? Something isnt right dont you agree ?

Thats far from good business if you asking me .... System isnt selling as it supposed to and they trying desperatly to do that by all these things i mentioned. The funny thing about it is that ... they cant make it still .. and im not even talking about worldwide scale but rather for their "own" territory ( US/UK) ... ! All its left is HALO ..and im very curious to see what happens when it gets a release.

The results of X1s low sales ( assuming will continue in 2015/16 ) will be seen in late 2016 and beyond. What i mean ? More and more 3rd party developers will focus on PS4 system either as the lead system for their multis or even worse bring their games on PS4 as exclusives or time exclusives. If PS4 keep selling at this pace into 2015/16 ... well say goodbye to X1 pretty early this generation. If somehow they can make it up with HALO or something it has a chance to keep it up for longer.

Companies like Microsoft don't panic, this is simply a case of "Okay this route doesn't seem to be working and people are not liking it, let's try something else." Calling it panic is a gross dramatization to amplify the seriousness of the situation Microsoft is facing and making it look considerably worse.

They seem prety worried to me. Could even say desperate. In my part of the world they are fucked.

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@Heil68 said:

I wouldnt buy a refurbished electronic, but that's me personally.

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@highking_kallor said:

@coasterguy65 said:

@highking_kallor said:

@coasterguy65 said:

Not really interested in buying anything refurbished. Especially not with a crappy 90 day warranty.

Still funny to watch people try to act like MS is having a fire sale with the Xbone, while the PS4 isn't getting discounts and bundles all over the place also...fanboys. They really only see what they want to see don't they?

Where I live I can get a xbone with two games a year of live and 3 downloadable games at half the price of a ps4 console with one game.

Microsoft struggling alright. lol

Not really the point I was making, but anyway. So, what you are saying in your statement is you can get a Brand New Xbone with with two games, a year of live, and 3 downloadable games where you live for $200? Half the price of a $400 PS4 with TLoU.

I call BULLSHIT !!! Link it, and prove me wrong.

lol. You seem to think I give a **** if you believe me.

The thing is, I doubt anyone believed your line of crap. However, thanks for confirming you were just pulling those figures out of your ass though. Carry on.

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@nyadc said:

@AzatiS said:

In my books it is panic and big time ... All these cuts , reverses , bundles , free games and coupons again and again and again ... Why to do that when they dont care how far PS4 goes and when X1 is profitable ? Something isnt right dont you agree ?

Thats far from good business if you asking me .... System isnt selling as it supposed to and they trying desperatly to do that by all these things i mentioned. The funny thing about it is that ... they cant make it still .. and im not even talking about worldwide scale but rather for their "own" territory ( US/UK) ... ! All its left is HALO ..and im very curious to see what happens when it gets a release.

The results of X1s low sales ( assuming will continue in 2015/16 ) will be seen in late 2016 and beyond. What i mean ? More and more 3rd party developers will focus on PS4 system either as the lead system for their multis or even worse bring their games on PS4 as exclusives or time exclusives. If PS4 keep selling at this pace into 2015/16 ... well say goodbye to X1 pretty early this generation. If somehow they can make it up with HALO or something it has a chance to keep it up for longer.

Companies like Microsoft don't panic, this is simply a case of "Okay this route doesn't seem to be working and people are not liking it, let's try something else." Calling it panic is a gross dramatization to amplify the seriousness of the situation Microsoft is facing and making it look considerably worse.

Well , when a company in a year , lowering the price in such extend , cutting kinect , offering free games left and right to lure in customers and why not reversing their original policies ...Sorry bro , nothing overdramatization here.. Its simply the truth. Not even Wii U did what X1 did in its first year ... hell not even in its second. And its just the start ....

If you think those gentlemen that working for MS ( where many of them left , guess why ) thinking " oh well , we didnt make those millions we thought of ... its ok next time " then ... you need to reconsider big time.

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It really depends who refurbished it, generally if the game company themselves I might be more trusting, especially if sold through the Microsoft Store either at physical retail or online. But if it's a company like GameStop or Walmart or Best Buy then **** that. Oh, it's Groupon... yeah, I'd pass.

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#46  Edited By clone01
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@Jankarcop said:

I wouldn't buy that pile of shit for $1. I'm rough on ps4, but xbone is even worse some how.

You're not a gamer anyway, so your opinions here are pretty useless.

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@clone01 said:

@Jankarcop said:

I wouldn't buy that pile of shit for $1. I'm rough on ps4, but xbone is even worse some how.

You're not a gamer anyway, so your opinions here are pretty useless.

Facts not opinions.

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@Jankarcop said:

@clone01 said:

@Jankarcop said:

I wouldn't buy that pile of shit for $1. I'm rough on ps4, but xbone is even worse some how.

You're not a gamer anyway, so your opinions here are pretty useless.

Facts not opinions.

Not really. Nothing in your statement remotely resembled fact. You might want to run along to your pretend gaming rig.

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#49  Edited By TrappedInABox91
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The Xbox brand burnt me three times on their shit hardware. ( I'm was a fucking fool) I would much rather buy a Wii U at full price than a "refurbished" MS product at this point. Even a refurbished Wii U is like $200. At least I was never fucked over with failing ass hardware from them.

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@Jankarcop said:

@clone01 said:

@Jankarcop said:

I wouldn't buy that pile of shit for $1. I'm rough on ps4, but xbone is even worse some how.

You're not a gamer anyway, so your opinions here are pretty useless.

Facts not opinions.

Fact is you're a terrible user with terrible opinions.