@kod said:
Im going to say Trump and here is why.
We have pretty much the same problems we did with Obama, but the democrats ignored many of them when Obama was president. They did things like pretend Obamacare was some great piece of legislation that solved our problems, when really it was a republican written blow job to insurance companies (a better version i might add). We never saw dem's say "Hey, there's a great piece of legislation in Mass that was put through by a republican named Mittens, lets give him credit and put this bill through nationally". No, the very few dems who even knew any of this at the time, were honest about it and called it absurd.
Now that a republican is president, the vocal masses of low information voters, are blaming everything bad on Trump, which is the wrong thing to do. However, its at least drawing attention to the problems, something that they ignored with Obama.
See, this is a perfect example of low information voters/supporters and the neo-liberal of America:
@joebones5000 said:
@loganx77: Oh, by the way, home ownership is down under Trump.
They want to blame Trump for everything, shift the conversation, and ignore reality.
The reality is Trump has not done a single thing to affect home ownership in the year he has been president.
The home ownership issue is a problem we've been facing for 15-25 years now, a problem that really became exacerbated during the 08 financial collapse and one could even say Obama made it worse by not holding banks accountable, and giving homes back to their victims. Buying homes was rough for the majority of people before this, after this no one trusts banks and Obama ensured that this mentality continued.
And again, this is really just a problem of both parties representing corporations over people and not the red and blue bullshit.
-Obamacare did abolish the PEC. And it would've been a lot better if it had gotten the public option in the first place.
And I don't think they ever pretended that it was some great piece of legislation that couldn't have done with some more improvements. Obama admitted this time and again. He even encouraged Republicans to give him something better ( meaning there had to at least be: PEC coverage, lower prices, more people covered) but they never came up with anything until 2017. And Trump/Republicans pretended that this was an amazing piece of legislation.
Trump also bragged (during the campaign/primary & up until February 2017) about how his plan would cover more people, cost less & he wouldn't touch Medicare/Medicaid. The AHCA failed to every single one of his OG standards. It even weakened the PEC protections. But none of that stopped him from hyping it up as if it wasn't an absolute abortion as far as legislation is concerned. It was never about making things better for people, it was nothing more than undoing Obama's legacy. No matter how good or bad it actually was.
-And the vocal masses of low information voters who thought the unemployment rate under Obama was a huge lie, that the economy was a travesty and that Trump was undertaking a huge mess left by him. But as soon as Obama was out of office everything became suddenly better.
in fact, there's a whole slew of polls showing how much the Republican voter base flip-flopped as soon as they got their guy into office. All of a sudden it was OK to bomb Syria, while the Democratic voter base barely budged compared to a previous poll when Obama was President.
-Same way people wanted to credit Trump with everything and ignore reality. Thing is that this problem exists on both sides, I don't think anyone disputes that. But fact of the matter is that Republicans are much worse.
-Yeah, corporatism exists on both sides. But there's also the fact that one side created the CFPB while the other has spent 2017 gutting every way they can. One side understands that the will of the people REQUIRES NN rules to stay in place. One side has demonstrated that they're actually willing to listen to people and drop legislature that nobody likes. (see Harry Reid and the SOPA/PIPA Bill) One side managed to stop Insurance companies from denying people with pre-existing conditions. One side has no problem embracing tax cuts for the middle/lower classes rather than giving most of the benefits to the wealthiest 1%. One side was willing to lower Corporate tax rates but NOT give special interests various loopholes through the AMT. One side is actually interested in making taxes more simplistic for the average person (cutting out worthless middle men like H&R Block/TurboTax) One side has proposed election reform and is more willing to end gerrymandering. One side holds the key to ending Citizens United through the judiciary. One side was 100% consistent on legalizing gay marriage. One side does things to protect the LGBT community, while the other finds way to discriminate in the name of "religious freedom." One side hasn't turned CHIP into a partisan issue.
I don't think Democrats are god's gift to American politics. But holy shit, Republicans have next to no redeemable qualities.
Democrats are largely bad because they're just an unruly group of Conservatives and Progressives. The modern day Republican party has tethered themselves to Christian Fundamentalists and some gross mish mash of white nationalism/alt-right racism.
True fiscal conservatism isn't even compatible with these groups. Especially when they have 0 respect for secularism or evidence-based policy.
ex:
"I want to end abortion!" "I hate paying for people's welfare/foodstamps through MY taxes"
but...
"I also hate planned parenthood, it's nothing more than a late-term abortion clinic"
also...
"The state should take children away from unfit parents who should have never had kids in the first place." "And I don't see why we shouldn't throw their parents in jail as well"
(while they ignore the fact that fostering children and jailing all those people costs a metric **** ton compared to just giving people proper access to healthcare services in the first place.)
The healthcare debate is an better gem.
"Obamacare is terrible because it forces people to buy insurance when they don't want it."
"Yeah, sure, I support keeping the PEC, but I still want the mandate gone"
"People who can't afford insurance should just use the ER anyways"
"People who don't pay their ER bills can just have their wages garnished"
All common lines of thought from fiscally inept right-wingers.
-You can't have the PEC protection without getting healthy people into the insurance pools.
-ER use causes higher prices for everyone else. It's just a shit-tier version of socialized healthcare. And getting rid of the EMTALA just takes us back to the 80s where hospitals would engage in "patient dumping" Which was basically the transfer of people who couldn't pay even if they were in a condition where transferring them led to worse Healthcare outcomes. (death being very high amongst this group compared to everyone else)
-There's way too many fiscally inept Conservatives who seem to think you can price people out of healthcare then just garnish their wages when they don't pay their ER bills. Which is hilariously bad policy considering these people will end up with terrible health outcomes meaning they can't fucking work anyways. So these people just declare bankruptcy and pass the costs onto everyone else. Which again, is just a really fucking shitty version of socialized medicine.
But seriously, it'd be nice if the Republican party wasn't so fucking bad. I consider myself more of a Neoliberal (left socially, right economically) But there's literally no sound economic policy on the right anymore. Obama (and even both Clintons) were much better in those facets.
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