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#1  Edited By Toxic-Seahorse
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@ghosts4ever said:
@Litchie said:
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I hope the game doesn't sell at all.

game need to sell. this is one kind of game apart from shaddy business practice.

Pulling Exodus off of Steam without any warning right before release isn't a shady business practice? I'm with @Toxic-Seahorse here. I'd rather see them getting bad sales because of this move rather than them being rewarded for it.

I really feel like waiting with this game until it hits Steam myself, just to not be a part of this shittery. Respect for Deep Silver is gone. It's always a shame when a fucked up publisher is behind a good game.

I never respect deep silver at all. they forced last light ranger mode as paid dlc.

they publish homefront and ride to hell as some of the worst games ever made. they hate fans and money.

its just that they attach to 4A games one of the top tier developers around. 4A unlike deep silver are very consumer friendly.

thats why i want this game to success so 4A can do anything like Metro in future instead of them being shut down.

I get wanting to support 4AGames. They're clearly a talented group of developers and they'll be fine. The reason I want the game to sell poorly is so no other company gets the idea to try this anti-consumer crap.

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@XVision84 said:

https://www.dualshockers.com/metro-exodus-physical-copies-epic-key/

This is really bad. Physical preorder copies will include an epic key instead of a steam key even though they advertised preorders as steam keys. Uninformed customers who paid off their preorder will not be happy when they get their copy.

Either everyone will get a refund of they're going to be fighting some lawsuits. This was my most anticipated game this year and yet I have never felt more hostility towards a game launch. I'm not buying it and I hope the game doesn't sell at all.

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#3  Edited By Toxic-Seahorse
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@jeezers said:
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Because Epic payed them to do so. Epic's platform is 100% publisher/developer friendly and completely anti-consumer. No reviews, no forum, missing most of the features we have on Steam. Doesn't support Linux. The list goes on. Metro was my most anticipated game this year, but I will not be buying it on the Epic Games Store.

There are lots of games that are Steam-only (eg the Total War games and ARMA 3). If I want to play em on PC, Steam is the only choice unless someone here can point otherwise. I don't get the whining about Metro Exodus.

As for reviews and forums...... I got by all these years pretty darn well without looking at store front forums and reviews. There are plenty of better venues for reviews such as YT to complement regular review sites.

Agree 100%

Steam has been doing this exact thing with many games, im surprised people defend steam so much, ive used steam my whole life, not because i want to, but because they are the biggest one with the biggest catalouge. Publishers know this too, they know steam has a monopoly on PC so they sell thier game there, thats why, not because they love steam. Steam sales have gotten bad last few years, Valve has gotten fat and lazy, but it still makes me chuckle to watch gabe groupies cry lol.

No, Steam has not been doing this exact thing AT ALL. Valve does NOT pay 3rd party publishers for exclusive deals to only be on Steam.

Steam also do not have a monopoly by the very definition of the word. I can buy games on Amazon, in brick and mortar stores, greenmangaming, gog, the list goes on. You have other methods of purchasing most games. Even if they do require Steam to activate, you still have the option to buy the vast majority elsewhere. This is also not the case with the Epic Games Store. Everything is closed to their store. Buying exclusives and not allowing 3rd party keys to be sold is so anti-consumer it's ridiculous. I get taking shots at Steam is cool and it for sure could use some good competition. However, throwing cash at publishers to have their games exclusive to your own shitty store that's light-years behind the competition is anti-consumer to its very core. They also let the game sit on Steam, raking in the promotion and exposure being on the most popular stores gives your game only to pull it a measly 2 weeks from launch. Scummy. Epic has been scummy all around.

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@jun_aka_pekto said:
@Toxic-Seahorse said:

Because Epic payed them to do so. Epic's platform is 100% publisher/developer friendly and completely anti-consumer. No reviews, no forum, missing most of the features we have on Steam. Doesn't support Linux. The list goes on. Metro was my most anticipated game this year, but I will not be buying it on the Epic Games Store.

There are lots of games that are Steam-only (eg the Total War games and ARMA 3). If I want to play em on PC, Steam is the only choice unless someone here can point otherwise. I don't get the whining about Metro Exodus.

As for reviews and forums...... I got by all these years pretty darn well without looking at store front forums and reviews. There are plenty of better venues for reviews such as YT to complement regular review sites.

You're missing the point. As far as I am aware Steam does not actively pay devs to keep games exclusive to their platform. That just awful anti-consumer behavior on Epic's part. If devs want their games to only be on Steam, I fail to see how that's Steam's fault. You also skipped over the whole point about how the Epic Games Store is centuries behind Steam in pretty much everything. Steam reviews are worth more than some youtube reviews as it averages out a ton of reviews to give you a general consensus of what people think of the game. This cannot be replaced with something like metacritic because with Steam you have to actually own the game to review it making the value of those reviews much greater than any website fanboys can troll and vote down a game they've never played. Not including reviews or support forums is just a great way for developers to try to hide away problems with their games. It's pro developer, anti-consumer. It actually boggles my mind why some people are okay with this. More competition is always better, but paying for exclusivity on your inferior platform is just a punch in the face to the people who were looking forward to the game, especially doing it just 2 weeks before release.

What Epic is doing is much worse than Ubisoft with Uplay. While you need to run it to play some games, at least with Uplay you can still purchase the game on pretty much any platform or site. With the Epic Games Store everything is completely locked down to it. No more greenmangaming, no more Amazon, nothing but the Epic Games Store. It's a complete joke.

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@dire_raven said:

I'm okay for it not to be on Steam. But why does it have to be an exclusive to Epic Game Store?

Because Epic payed them to do so. Epic's platform is 100% publisher/developer friendly and completely anti-consumer. No reviews, no forum, missing most of the features we have on Steam. Doesn't support Linux. The list goes on. Metro was my most anticipated game this year, but I will not be buying it on the Epic Games Store.

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@Jacanuk: I always laugh when people bring up visas overstayed, its a seperate issue from the wall, both need to be looked at tho

Considering the majority of illegals come in legally the wall is a waste of time and money. But go ahead and listen to the tweets of a mad man for your education. It will serve well.

LOL bro, do you double check your comments before posting it, or is your face that red and steam pouring outta your ears just so you can get your comment posted ASAP?

"Considering the majority of illegals come in legally the wall is a waste of time and money."

They're not illegals if they enter the country on legal terms (immigration, work visas, etc)

If they over extend their visits, they are breaking the laws, hence they become illegals

Which is literally exactly what he said. They entered legally, but are now illegal immigrants. Hence the majority of current illegal immigrants entered then country legally. This isn't that hard to understand.

And to those saying this is separate issue, you're completely missing the point. It's absolutely insane to spend ~20 billion on a wall when it wouldn't affect the majority of our illegal immigrants. That's the main point. Nobody is saying people running across the border shouldn't be stopped, but it sure as hell isn't worth ~20 billion dollars to stop.

It is not insane at all, considering the tax revenue is estimated to be 3.42 trillion for fiscal year 2019

https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

so PLEASE tell me how 20 billion is too much.

They ARE separate issues. By building a wall, this adds an increased level of difficulty for illegals to enter the nation. It adds an extra layer of security to prevent those who want quick access to the US. Will illegals still cross? sure they will. Nothing in this world is guaranteed to work 100% of the time. But adding a wall plus security measures will decrease the number.

People overstaying their stay is a separate issue. They are already inside the host nation, and refuse to leave. No border wall will fix this issue. You know what will? Policies. Such as having immigrants on work visas have their access to bank accounts shut off after their visa expires. This is just an example.

Are either of these examples going to work 100% of the time? Absolutely not. That never was the point, but they will have a positive impact on decreasing the number of illegals entering the nation by walking freely across the border, and the amount of illegals overstaying their visit.

The argument is that the 20 billion is better spent on things that are actually problems in the U.S. Insane healthcare costs, public welfare, violent crime, infrastructure. The wall is completely not worth the cost since it'll be essentially ineffective.

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@nattydaddy604 said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@jeezers said:

@Jacanuk: I always laugh when people bring up visas overstayed, its a seperate issue from the wall, both need to be looked at tho

Considering the majority of illegals come in legally the wall is a waste of time and money. But go ahead and listen to the tweets of a mad man for your education. It will serve well.

LOL bro, do you double check your comments before posting it, or is your face that red and steam pouring outta your ears just so you can get your comment posted ASAP?

"Considering the majority of illegals come in legally the wall is a waste of time and money."

They're not illegals if they enter the country on legal terms (immigration, work visas, etc)

If they over extend their visits, they are breaking the laws, hence they become illegals

Which is literally exactly what he said. They entered legally, but are now illegal immigrants. Hence the majority of current illegal immigrants entered then country legally. This isn't that hard to understand.

And to those saying this is separate issue, you're completely missing the point. It's absolutely insane to spend ~20 billion on a wall when it wouldn't affect the majority of our illegal immigrants. That's the main point. Nobody is saying people running across the border shouldn't be stopped, but it sure as hell isn't worth ~20 billion dollars to stop.

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@Jacanuk said:
@mandzilla said:

How does he still not realise that things he's previously said have been recorded? Maybe it is time for that 25th Amendment.

Actually, itĀ“s far far worse this time. Even his own website clearly stated that Mexico would pay for this, while not direct than indirect.

So I have no idea why he would deny it when even his own Candidate-website wrote it and it canĀ“t be argued that it was some leftist media.

But hold your horses there, the 25th is not even a blip here, Trump may try to backpedal and do a horrible job at it, but it still is not even close to each the 25th. we are talking full mad/ incapacitated here, full mad King George style.

He literally shut down the government, risking the livelihood of hundreds of thousands on of people all for a border wall that has been shown as unpopular. He also constantly lies about most of what he talks about. He's so out there most of his cabinet has quit. That seems crazy enough to be removed from office.

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The Epic Games Store was built to be anti consumer. No reviews, no support forums, awful refund policy. It's completely anti-consume. but what it is is, pro-developer. A smaller cut and no reviews is a great thing for developers. I don't see this move turning out well for either Epic or the developers that choose to be exclusive to it. It won't be insanely obvious with The Division 2 since Uplay still exists to buy the game on, but if another developer tries the same thing without their own platform, I don't see things ending very well for them.

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Why should we pretend like your opinion of what is "top-tier" matters? What even is top-tier? What's the criteria?
Smash Bros. is just a really fun game to a lot of people, that's why it's getting praise. You not liking it doesn't change the general consensus that it's a great game.