what's so hard to understand , you say you pay 10$ a month, I say you can buy it cheaper, by using the upgrade system, 1 month of ultimate gamepass through a code converts all your existing gold to ultimate gamepass.

no matter the time how long you bought gold for, for instance you buy gold for 1 year with a code, and then you buy 1 month of gamepass with a code.

Then you'll get 13 months of ultimate gamepass because it converted your existing gold to ultimate gamepass.

yeah it's not because you are not up to date of the price of the gamepass that other people aren't. You really think most of those subscribers are paying full price.

and maybe psnow isn't that successfull because they ain't giving it away for 1$ a month.

I sure would like to live on a planet where you think stuff is free, the gamepass price is just to attract new users, it will come at a cost, especially if it isn't successfull.

and that will be again bad for the xbox gamer, since there will be less funding for games.

and in the end people still prefer the games they want over a subscription service.

I already told you what needs to be done, I gave examples of which success stories they let slip through their fingers (world of tanks, fifa legends, magic duels, pubg) and what success stories can still be written

The latter means multiplayer games that are adapted to the modern success formula, and that means a progression like system, like wargaming, warzone, magic and fifa ultimate team does.

I gave you some examples, like fighting games, card games, even just hack and slashers, there is a whole world out there of genres that haven't been adapted to these formula's.

The xbox 360 lost in the end barely to sony, but let's be honest here, it's only the last years of the gen, when the consoles were pretty cheap and sony was still investing like crazy into first party games that it was able gain back ground.

But the better part of the gen the x360 sold better than sony, and sony may have won by a hair at then end, if it wasn't for the replacement in management with the xbox division, it would have simply lost it.

Heck the legacy of the x360 is way bigger than the ps3, because of the party chat, achievements, emphasis on digital media distribution, and best bang for the buck hardware. The ps4 is actually made in its image.

then you're paying too much, frankly it baffles to this day people still pay with cc, it's always more expensive, even for just gold.

IF you buy xbox live gold, no matter the time, this can be three years or 6 months, and you buy 1 month of ultimate gamepass it automatically converts all of your gold to ultimate gamepass.

where is this planet you people live on where stuff is free, are you really that naive. The xbox division has to answer to microsoft corporate and their investors.

It being so cheap isn't the official price and sooner or later it will become only that official price or at least a lot more than 1$/month.

and if you look at psnow, if you ask a bit more money for it, it isn't that successfull. That sounds like perfect logic to me.

and gamepass isn't working, 80 friends who have friends of their own is not some random statistic. Most people have it because it cost next to nothing, not for any other reason

The only hype I've seen about gamepass is here, because it's system wars, but if it wasn't that cheap , not many peopel would care. I already gave you the example of psnow as well.

Happy ? I already explained this to you, all they are doing now is targetting the same audience as playstation, or using old formula's that already been milked. What they need original multiplayer games, that was their strength, I gave you some examples

Even in the beginning of last gen they were doing better than this, with games like elite dangerous, world of tanks, fifa legends, magic duels and later on pubg. But of course they got the major handicap of the launch of the x1, with resulted in a much smaller playerbase and with that lacked the funding to keep those games on the xbox.

Because those games/content were pushed to the console with the help of xbox, and they had to let fifa legends go because of the lack of playerbase on the x1, and with that they had no leverage to deal with EA, which is and was holding the most lucrative and most popular game on the console.

Wargaming is one of the most popular studios of this gen, and part of it was owned by microsoft studios. Pubg with its battle royale could have been expanded or even had sequels as xbox exclusives, don't even get me started about magic.

You just don't realize what damage the x1 launch has done, playstation has become a stronger worldwide brand because they let them. This is was just an electronics company, they sold tv's and hifi systems back in the day, they only got in this business because of the co invention with philips of the cd and because nintendo was too stubborn to pay for the rights of the cd.

That's the sort of company which microsoft, that already created windows 98 and directx, and pretty much every office software a company needs, came up against, well that and also nintendo and sega.

After that gen, nintendo and sega was already done for, all that was left was sony, and sony had to bring everythign to the table with the ps3 but they were still overwhelmed because of the inguinity of microsoft. The xbox 360 was a better system because of its bang for the buck, and more creative engineering. Xbox 360 was the first system with unified shaders, which is a dev standard today.

But of course when you get an idiot like don mattrick that doesn't release any games anymore of course it's going to go downhill. The X1 launch was the final blow.

and now we got phil spencer. He's doing better, as in he's not fucking up but he's not never going bring xbox to the old level, He spend most his time on hardware with the xboxone x, which is kinda ridiculous, he was busy with tweaking old games to work on the xbox one x, with no new games. As if people were going to rebuy an new system for the same gen.

He now got the series x, not a bad idea to focus a bit on power again but it's way more expensive than a digital ps5, and with the playerbase the playstation has, that series x not going to be able to compete with that, especially not if you aren't creative with your exclusives.

what does it matter you need an xbox live account. That's just like you need a ubisoft account, or a blizzard account, it does't tie you to the platform like a console does.

yeah yeah they've invested in games but in mostly the wrong ones, like I said they have already beaten sony in the past.

You're looking just at the end of the ps3 gen numbers, but the x360 dominated the ps3 through the entire gen apart from the last couple of years, because instead of releasing new games for the xbox they were busy to implement the kinect with the x1 and that was because of don mattrick.

Don mattrick only joined xbox in 2009, and because of his success with kinect sales , he was able to become vice president of the xbox division and push the kinect as a mandatory device for the xbox one.The rest is history.

Playstation did not do everything wrong, they just made an uberpowerfull system to counter microsoft, and it paid off by the end of the gen. In the beginning it was not that easy because microsoft had again came up with groundbreaking software tech, the unified shaders. That is what microsoft does, they are after all the king when it comes to software and operating systems in general. They also came up with the party chat.

but they still losing to playstation, because of the asisine management they put on the xbox division after the x360, and that has lot to do with the fact that gates is not overseeing the company anymore.

gamepass not working is not my personal opinion, it's basically a free service for xbox owners, pretty much all of my 80 xbox friends including myself have gamepass, because it's so dirt cheap, and we hardly ever use it anyway, because the games we want we already have. This ain't netflix.

if it actually cost a bit of money like psnow, it's not that popular, of 110 million ps users only 3 million use psnow, and it isn't exactly bad value either. 50$ a year for 700+ games. Gamepass has like 100.

But you think gamepass with a lot less games is going to be successful on the pc for 120$ or even 180$, and this is somehow going to turn the tables, think again.

I didn't know they used steam (allthough that remains to be seen for their new games) and it doesn't change anything for my argument.

they would have a better chance to win this console war, or at least be a lot more competitive if they invest in the type of games I mentioned. They already beaten sony in a traditional console war, I see no reason why they can't do it again.

The way they try it now is not going to work, how many people to you think use gamepass as a pc owner only, that's 10$ a month, 15$ if you want ea access, for quite a small library, smaller than the console I might add.

The only thing that will happen is that people who don't want to spend much money will buy it for a month, what good is that going to do for the xbox owner or for console gaming in general, since it is competition that makes a good product.

Look what happened with the x360 and ps3, it's the best gen by far, we got a ton of games, and we got amazing hardware for a cheap price, because there was competition