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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:

lacks credibility

Citation?

@eoten said:

and evidence

I mean how is someone raped decades ago going to have evidence lol.

@eoten said:

You believe her

@zaryia said:

Straw-Man. I never said I believe her.

WTF?

@eoten said:

you desperately need Trump to be a villain.

I don't need this to happen. It already did from his Covid disaster, trying to over turn the election, and lowest approval in history. But I wouldn't use the word "villain", that's childish. More like a very bad POTUS.

@eoten said:

And it's disgusting.

Not believing or denying the woman is disgusting.

But this isn't:

The 26 Women Who Have Accused Trump of Sexual Misconduct (businessinsider.com)

Yeah okay man. Good logic.

@eoten said:

it's politics.

Politics would be dismissing all 26 women. As would be automatically believing all 26.

You do understand evidence is required for her to have any hope in winning any case, right? You do understand that without it, she's probably going to be counter sued for legal fees and lose. It's a frivolous lawsuit for political reasons until any actual evidence says otherwise, and that's how courts are going to look at it too, that's how our legal system works.

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@zaryia said:
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A friend claiming Carroll told her about it isn't corroborating a story. Is this what passes for evidence with you people?

I'm not using that as evidence that it 100% happened. I'm using that corroboration to push back on your claim her statements were not at all credible. I have citation showing she had corroboration and at least some credibility, what do you have?

What counter sources are YOU using to make that judgement? Link them please. Your statements alone are not good enough considering your post history, I need a source if you're going to make such a bold claim declaring this thread and as Carol 100% fraudulent.

@eoten said:

you do believe anything.

Straw-Man. I never said I believe her. But I'm also not going to randomly say it's 100% fake because of my cult.

That being said the chance all 26 women are lying is....yeah going by stats highly unlikely. Then again that's what I probably should expect from Epstein's buddy. 🤣

I will say it fake because her story lacks credibility, and evidence, and only seems to exist starting from a time period that is politically advantageous to the anti Trump crowd. You believe her, and you believe her because you desperately need Trump to be a villain. It's bullshit. It's politics. And it's disgusting.

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@eoten: Yanukovych was removed on February. The vote took place in may, after the Crimea vote and after both areas were controlled by the Russian army.

Russia didn't get involved in Donbas until earlier this year, and the annexation of Crimea was in response to the coup. Ukraine also wasn't an independent country until 1991, prior to that, those regions were part of the USSR, prior to that, they were part of the Russian Empire. The people who live there are ethnically Russian, they identify as Russian, they speak Russian, so the idea that these people don't legitimately identify as something other than Ukrainian is nonsense. At no point in the generations upon generations that those people have lived in those regions did they ever consider themselves anything else.

You people are acting like Putin had to actually do something. You act like overthrowing the person they elected wasn't enough to set things off in a country that was always divided. Russia doesn't have to interfere because Ukraine was never united in the first place.

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@zaryia said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
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@eni232 said:

@eoten:

Yeah but in mj case, he was a odd ball all around. Stuff he was sued for just added to the circus he was.

I've never met him, so there's nothing I know about him that isn't sources from either media or court, so I can't really say what kind of person he legitimately was. All I can say is that the stuff he was sued for had mountains of exculpatory evidence in his favor, and I think many of the plaintiffs have admitted it was about money. That's the society we live in. Suing people can be profitable. Suing people with money while they are in a sensitive position where such a lawsuit could be damaging to their lives and careers, even more so.

And to take it a step further, what happened after that? Even with the exculpatory evidence in his favor, and ZERO evidence against him, people still believed what they wanted to be true. This likely lead to him losing a number of advertising deals and sponsorships possibly totaling somewhere in the billions. Compare that to simply paying them a few million to piss off, and you'll see why this sort of stuff actually works. Under most circumstances, it is cheaper to pay people off, guilty or not.

Things become a bit different when politics is involved. If it's not hush money, it's some ideologue who wants them to lose an election, or somebody dug up by the opposition. Remember the Roy Moore stuff in the Alabama election a few years ago? The same media outlets that wanted him to lose never actually informed people there was piles of evidence AGAINST his accusers, or that he has since sued the super PAC responsible for millions of dollars, and won.

Ah victim blaming.

Had to cross out his lie filled rant. Remember, for extreme tribals like Eoten if it's someone from your party the sexual assault victim is always lying and wrong. For all 20+ allegations vs Trump. All of them fake because Trump is a Republican and nothing more.

Now he's defending Roy Moore, big fucking yikes. Not something one wants in their post history:

Wendy Miller has previously testified that she met Moore when she was 14 and working as a Santa's helper at the local mall. She testified Moore told her she was pretty, asked her where she went to high school and offered to buy her a soda. He asked her asked her out two years later, but her mother told her she could not go.

Part of the defamation is around the phrase "solicited for sex."

He still tried to date underage teens when he was in his 30s and was banned from a local mall

For someone who pretends to know so much about law he should know winning that one defamation suit and losing/throwing out the rest doesn't actually vindicate many of the accusations by the women. He failed to mention all of those.

He lost the election. He ran againin 2020, but lost the Republican primary. He also began filing lawsuits: against Leigh Corfman; against all the women who came forward, whom he accused of conspiracy; against Sacha Baron Cohen, who had Moore on his show “Who Is America?” and waved an imaginary device that he said could “detect a pedophile.” (On the show, the device goes off.)

A judge rejected the suit against Cohen, and a jury ruled against Moore in his suit against Corfman; the suit alleging conspiracy has been stalled, (Thanks for not mentioning these, EOTEN.)

Thomas, who is now in his eighties, testified that, in 2017, when reporters asked him about the alleged mall ban, he “wanted to stay out of it completely.” He also testified that, during a roughly six-week period in the late nineteen-seventies, when he was working security at the Gadsden Mall, he’d received around ten complaints about Roy Moore. “Mostly it was young girls, teen-age girls, saying that he was asking them out, maybe talking inappropriately,” he said. After “so many complaints,” he initiated a “very tactful” conversation with Moore, he said, telling Moore he was “going to have to kind of cool it.” Ultimately, Thomas recalled, “I just mentioned to him that we’ve had so many complaints that I’m going to have to ban him from the mall.” Thomas remembered Moore defending himself “a small amount, not a lot,” and then leaving. To Thomas’s knowledge, Moore did not come back to the mall for a while.

We know Moore is a huge creeper. Don't defend him lmao.

@eoten said:
@eni232 said:

Lol. I always wonder when something like that happens why not sue right away.

Smear campaigns, defamation, slander, frivolous lawsuits, baseless accusations, corruption and fraud have become the faces of

Sounds like you're describing the GOP and going easy on them. Randomly saying all these women and girls are liars hasn't worked always worked out well for your freakish party:

Republican Sexual Predators, Abusers, and Enablers Pt. 27 (dailykos.com)

Actually dude, you knew nothing outside of what you heard on TV, being spread by the DNC for the election. The evidence never supported those allegations, and there was too much exculpatory evidence in his favor. Like above, you believe what you want to believe, not what the evidence actually tells you.

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@zaryia said:
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She had no evidence,

What percent of rape victims have evidence? Especially when it was done decades ago? What percent are usually false or fake?

Can all of Trump's victims be lying? There's a lot of them.

@eoten said:

but her allegations were never credible.

Citation? I remember only seeing corroboration,

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/podcasts/the-daily/e-jean-carroll-trump-interview.html

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/two-women-corroborate-e-jean-carroll-trump-sexual-assault-rape-allegation-the-daily.html

Where are the articles showing it was likely false? I'm not saying he 100% raped her, but saying she (and all like her) are lying and completely wrong solely because of your politics is SUS. Back your claims up.

@gifford38 said:

so funny how they trying everything for trump to lose.

Quite the opposite. Democrats have a higher chance if he is allowed to run.

A friend claiming Carroll told her about it isn't corroborating a story. Is this what passes for evidence with you people? ROFLMAO, you do believe anything.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@eoten said:
@eni232 said:

@eoten:

Yeah but in mj case, he was a odd ball all around. Stuff he was sued for just added to the circus he was.

I've never met him, so there's nothing I know about him that isn't sources from either media or court, so I can't really say what kind of person he legitimately was. All I can say is that the stuff he was sued for had mountains of exculpatory evidence in his favor, and I think many of the plaintiffs have admitted it was about money. That's the society we live in. Suing people can be profitable. Suing people with money while they are in a sensitive position where such a lawsuit could be damaging to their lives and careers, even more so.

And to take it a step further, what happened after that? Even with the exculpatory evidence in his favor, and ZERO evidence against him, people still believed what they wanted to be true. This likely lead to him losing a number of advertising deals and sponsorships possibly totaling somewhere in the billions. Compare that to simply paying them a few million to piss off, and you'll see why this sort of stuff actually works. Under most circumstances, it is cheaper to pay people off, guilty or not.

Things become a bit different when politics is involved. If it's not hush money, it's some ideologue who wants them to lose an election, or somebody dug up by the opposition. Remember the Roy Moore stuff in the Alabama election a few years ago? The same media outlets that wanted him to lose never actually informed people there was piles of evidence AGAINST his accusers, or that he has since sued the super PAC responsible for millions of dollars, and won.

Ah victim blaming.

You need a victim first.

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@nirgal said:

@eoten: dude the vote took place after Russian military had entered the Donbass.

Are you that naive or faking it?

The vote took place in 2014. It was immediately after the coup that overthrew the elected president of Ukraine who won a large majority of support in those regions.

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@eni232 said:

@eoten:

Yeah but in mj case, he was a odd ball all around. Stuff he was sued for just added to the circus he was.

I've never met him, so there's nothing I know about him that isn't sources from either media or court, so I can't really say what kind of person he legitimately was. All I can say is that the stuff he was sued for had mountains of exculpatory evidence in his favor, and I think many of the plaintiffs have admitted it was about money. That's the society we live in. Suing people can be profitable. Suing people with money while they are in a sensitive position where such a lawsuit could be damaging to their lives and careers, even more so.

And to take it a step further, what happened after that? Even with the exculpatory evidence in his favor, and ZERO evidence against him, people still believed what they wanted to be true. This likely lead to him losing a number of advertising deals and sponsorships possibly totaling somewhere in the billions. Compare that to simply paying them a few million to piss off, and you'll see why this sort of stuff actually works. Under most circumstances, it is cheaper to pay people off, guilty or not.

Things become a bit different when politics is involved. If it's not hush money, it's some ideologue who wants them to lose an election, or somebody dug up by the opposition. Remember the Roy Moore stuff in the Alabama election a few years ago? The same media outlets that wanted him to lose never actually informed people there was piles of evidence AGAINST his accusers, or that he has since sued the super PAC responsible for millions of dollars, and won.

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@InEMplease said:
@eoten said:
@horgen said:
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Yeah dude, they are. Ukraine has committed war crimes going back since 2014. None of them are good people, none of them are fighting for the interests of anyone but themselves. There are no "good guys." You're watching a fairy tale on TV.

Still haven't invaded another country on non-existent reasons.

They invaded Donbas and other provinces after the citizens voted on a referendum of independence. So yeah, they did.

Voted at gunpoint lol

Yeah, sure it was, because Ukraine was such a great country, nobody in their right mind would want to separate from it.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

I liked the part where people wanted to leave after the announcement, but were all buy forced to stay for the remainder of his ramblings by his folks guarding the doors lol.

Obviously they were not forced, but as Trump supporters-in-name-only they really wanted to leave lol.

Anyway, dude doesn't want to be president. Didn't even think he could have been the first time around. It's more of a testament to stupid voters than Trump success.

I just don't think the guy knows how to say no to too much of a good thing. Capitalism in human form, and that's not a compliment.

So you're saying people wanted to leave, although nobody forced them to stay and they didn't actually leave?