Executive editor of Game Informer; PS5 is more powerful than Scarlett

So, basically:

PS5 > Scarlet already?

Dude you are still Salty about the X aren't you? ?

@Livecommander: X1X released 57 percent through the gen cycle, not 75 percent. Just saying..

Same old story...

It's funny watching the battle for second place. LOL

PC has a higher TDP and cost structure limits.

Except Lems are in this weird little chasm where they aren't exactly competing with PC. anymore. I'm going to enjoy all my PC xbox games

@acepilot: Microsoft's hardware accelerate ray-tracing confirmation shows Scarlet's GPU in next year's second generation NAVI.

Don't say this, you'll makes me lems hurt themselves. Power is the only thing they have to look forward to lol.

Sony has to confirm hardware accelerated ray-tracing for PS5.

NAVI design comes with two generations.

NVIDIA RTX (hardware accelerated ray-tracing) and Microsoft DXR is based on bounding volume hierarchy (BVH) search tree raytracing.

Crytek has SVOGI (Sparse voxel octree global illumination) based ray-tracing.

Here is food for thought. No body fucking knows anything until Sony and Microsoft release the numbers. In the end games is what makes a system and whichever is more powerful will become my multiplat box while the other becomes the exclusive box. I did it this time around. I had an ps4 and xbox, moved to ps4 pro, then to the X. The most powerful box at the time got my multiplats.

At least we now know that people who were both bragging 12+ TF are stupid.

Navi is a bust so far. Next gen consoles am cry

When has power mattered significantly before?

PS4 has already proven that games sell, not hardware stats.

I mean do you know anyone who can tell you the hardware stats of PS4 and Xbone? Exactly! If hardware mattered, players would know the CPU type and speed of their consoles. But nobody knows these, so obviously nobody really cares about hardware power when it comes to consoles. Fact.

NAVI is a good foundation to scale towards 44 to 64 CU

RX 5700's 40 CU, 64 ROPS and 256 bit bus could scale 60 CU with 96 ROPS and 384bit bus.

RX 5800 model is intentionally reserve as higher NAVI SKU.

AMD finally mastered 64 ROPS with 256 bit bus design like GTX 1080.

Until X1X, PS4/PS4 Pro has hardware specification superiority over XBO/XBO S.

Power matters again.........???

Hahahahahaa....

So here we go again.. Time to bookmark.

For the OG Xbox for sure but what else did the OG Xbox have. It was a different story for the PS3. It was cows claiming power and you were right in the front leading the cheer with the Cell processor. Lems were reactionary with sales AND power all spurned by cows making those claims prior to the release. What's the power didn't translate and the sales were sub par did lems say anything. Cows brought that wrath on themselves but by all means try and change the narrative.

You people? You mean gamers because unlike you, we actually game on multiple systems.

So PS5 will be the better multiplat system AND have actual exclusives? And be running on MS "superior" network? Xbox fans better hope Sony opens up crossplat play next gen.

Did MS say exactly the hardware they are using other than saying they'll use a SSD and what kind of RAM they're using, I feel since Sony isn't saying what PS5 will be that they've bought time to adjust hardware specs to have a more powerful machine, I think MS isn't being specific either in hopes to have wiggle room on their end. But MS did put a release date out there meaning if Sony waits later to release theirs then they can leapfrog it on power. I think both are committed to having a more powerful machine but neither knows what the other is bringing.

It's always about the games. That's why PS4 buried the X one this gen

I can’t wait to see how proper developers (sony’s In house) makes use of the ps5 hardware.

For teh OG xbox and for the xbox 360 as well,you hyped superior versions of games over the PS consoles period,so in 2013 you people got what you deserved,but the fun part is how you instantly changed your opinion in 2013 to 720p is ok and graphics are only for PC.

It was you who owned your self i didn't do it.

You don't own a system the only thing you own is your self, every time you start tiping to defend the xbox one and find out latter (by me) that you were running a counter point dowplaying what you now hype.

Yeah i remember how lemmings claimed this also in 2012 and 2013,it never materialize which gave foot to MS taking lemmings for fools and selling them the magic cloud that would increse the xbox one power 3 times,and DX12 which would double the performance of the xbox one.

Non of the 2 happen which is why they release an X model.

@Pedro: I'll tell you right now I don't care about power unless we're looking at a PS2 /Xbox situation. We both know they're going to be almost identical when it comes to multiplats. Anyone that brags about PS4 differences to X1 or X1X differences to Pro are just gloating /trying to troll. The differences were never anything to write home about. I care about exclusives and ease of use which Sony had hands down this gen.

Meh, it'll be a mid tier box at best, just like the Xbox. Does it really matter at this point?

No it doesn't matter.

Regardless of which is more powerful I'll pick the PS5 since Xbox has no exclusive games and all MS games are best played on PC.

Lack or reading comprehension? 360 was after cows were making power claims BEFORE it launched. After it launched and it became painfully obvious to cows(and the rest of the world) that the PS3 wasn't more powerful, in the real world, did lems start talking about it. That falls squarely on cows for talking all that shit prior to it's launch. Good job at failing to understand what you read

You mean gamers got what we deserved? Not sure what you mean by YOU people. Sorry el tormented but YOU might live and die by a video game manufacturer but most rational people don't. I couldn't care less about Sony, MS or Nintendo in real life, just my SWs persona. You seem to live your life by what some arbitrary, doesn't give a crap about you but your money company does. You ever notice I don't post much or hardly ever on the weekends or after 5pm PST? I just don't care that much about SWs, MS, Sony or any other gaming company outside of killing time at work. Gaming is a hobby and I see it as that, a hobby. You seem to see it as a lifestyle and unless you're getting paid to game or work for one of these companies, it makes you look like a fool.

So we're back to the "i know you are but what am I" defense. What's your gamertag el tormented? I've shared mine, have you?

You're not a clown of SWs for nothing

The PS3 was more powerful than the 360 and was show with games like TLOU uncharted 3 and others,MS had an easier to code machine but for fact spec wise the PS3 was stronger. Still that doesn't change the fact that you hyped 360 superior version period.

You can spin it all you want you claim Graphics were for PC and consoles for exclusives you can't get on PC so again you owned your self is not me is you.

So this one console we know nothing about will be more powerful than this other console we know nothing about?

I am not saying one way or other who will have a more powerful console, only that I believe both are being tight-lipped and not setting plans in stone to try to remain flexible in hopes they can change final design to out-perfotm other in hardware. If either comes out early and says what final specs are then the other only needs to modify hardware slightly to maintain the performance edge.

That being said, MS announcing a release window at E3 might give Sony an opportunity, since Sony hasn't officially set their window, they can opt out of releasing around same time, just delaying release by a few months to a year could be enough to allow them the performance edge, but they'd have to decide whether that advatage outweighs giving their competitor a head start.

I have no doubt that each is closely watching the other, after all that talk just a few weeks ago on Twitter Sony reps made statements of PS5 doing 8K and eliminating load times and utlizing SSD and that certainly influenced MS matching those claims in their own presentation at E3.

If MS releases a weaker XB2 than PS5 they will be dead in the water so they better not...

@R4gn4r0k said:

So this one console we know nothing about will be more powerful than this other console we know nothing about?

Bingo :)

That would be great.

Power always mattered, for BASE console development for each generation! After that power is meaningless.

It's no one's fault you simple lemmings got hyped over a mid-gen system that did fvck all for BASE console development. This is the same reason why high end PC's 10X more powerful than consoles are only playing current gen 2013 console developed games only with wasted assets in extra frames and higher resolution.

Power matters for the BASE console going into each generations because that power dictates where games development starts for the duration of each generation.

Point is, after the base line of power for development is set, the only thing that matters each gen is the games developed with that power.

No one really gives a damn about a few extra frames or pixels if they're still playing the same damn game.

PS4 was the baseline for development this gen being the market leader, so no matter how much more powerful the system you had, you were still only playing PS4 developed games with a coat of sugar on top.

@xhawk27: No one knows, also specs do end up changing. Besides the Dev Kits are not final for retail release. If anything, the first Dev Kits may have been scorpio based until MS got their hands on a Zen 2 and Navi GPU.

To follow up on lems ignorance and misunderstanding over power, since the lot of them don't believe in generations.

Power ONLY matters for what the base console has in each generation to determine what the cut off line is for how far development can be pushed in mainstream games.

THIS is why generations matter.

Sorry to tell you lems your $500 X was a wasted purchase because you were still only playing 2013 1.3TF Xbox One games just with a coat of paint. No games were developed for either Xbox One X or PS4 Pro! They were just buffed and shined similar to how they do for PC ports.

Next gen, yes, power matters (as it has mattered EVERY gen *morons*) to set the baseline for game development. That's it. After this is established, the ONLY thing that matters is what developers do with that power to create games.

THIS, is why xbox fails. You guys don't even know WHY power matters, it aint resolution or a few extra frames.

@lamprey263: Both consoles will use AMD hardware, CPU and GPU. So, this competition is a bit silly. More like which console will AMD make more powerful?

No, more like which console's parent company co-developing contribution make it more powerful!

If you hadn't notice BOTH Sony and MS have said they work with AMD to custom develop chips for their next gen system so that is going to the major difference between the 2 systems unless one paid a significant higher price for the tech.

BTW: Sony is the actual TECHNOLOGY, HARDWARE and DEVELOPMENT company, MS is the software company. Take that as you will.

Damn old fart basement dweller you still that obsessed over me? i even got the email from gamespot that some dweller is @ at me... i dont even use this board yet we have cows remembering me after the hurt i caused you.

When Dr. Su mentioned two more things at the end of the E3 show, I was really thinking the GPU surprise was going to be a 5800 or 5900.

Oh, an anniversary edition 5700 XT.........woohoo. That said, I might actually spring for the 5700 XT when it releases, just because I can. I'm only semi-satisfied with my RX 570 4GB, but it was a big 'ol jump from an R9 270 ;)

MS is one of industry's leading x86 C++ compiler, virtual machine(Hyper-V) and profiling software technology. NVIDIA has a large software team to optimize it's hardware for software. e.g. Unreal Engine 4 bias.

For 16 nm era silicon with both MS and Sony has Polaris IP baseline GPU design.

• MS selected rasterzation improvements (e.g. graphics pipeline's lower latency and ROPS with high speed 2MB cache improvements). MS requested hardware variable shading rate and FP10 support features. MS has been influenced by NVIDIA's Maxwell design path with a bias towards rasterzation improvements.
• Sony selected CU's rapid pack math improvements with TFLOPS bias. Sony requested hardware checker-board feature. Sony followed it's CELL mindset with high FLOPS bias, hence rapid pack math improvements.

MS helped AMD with game software profiling for X1X GPU design and it shows with X1X's superiority over PS4 Pro. For X1X, MS pushed AMD to design silicon for games NOT games for silicon.

MS XBO's API beating PS4's API on efficiency.

Both MS and Sony starts from NAVI IP baseline GPU design during 7 nm era silicon.

Microsoft/NVIDIA pushed the industry towards DXR/RTX hardware accelerated ray-tracing with Xbox Scarlet's hardware accelerated ray-tracing being confirmed.

Microsoft/NVIDIA's DXR/RTX hardware accelerated ray-tracing is based on BVH search tree ray-tracing model. AMD is being pushed towards NVIDIA influenced DXR.

Will Sony follow Microsoft's DXR for hardware accelerated ray-tracing path? Sony has to confirm "hardware accelerated" ray-tracing.

NAVI's wavefront length being reduced from 64 to 32 effectively means NVIDIA won the GpGPU compute fight! NAVI = poor man's CUDA like GPU.

The source remains the same for both MS and Sony i.e. AMD is pushing for PCI-E 4.0. Super fast loading is an extension from AMD's tiled resource push i.e. tiled resource's texture quality improves with faster data storage.

Windows gaming PC already has PCI-E based SSD and VESA's Display Port 1.4 can already display 8K 60 hz with Free-Sync.

VESA's Display Port = PC industry, mostly China/Taiwan and US PC companies.

HDMI = Hollywood industry i.e. mostly Japan, South Korean and US Hollywood companies.

PS; Intel is pushing for PCI-E 5.0 in 2021.

No my spambot friend i was just using a blind fanboy who doubted rumors in 2013 to make a point.

Hahahahaa...

We miss you on this account,so stop using the other one..lol

The difference wont be enough to make an actual graphical difference.

Multiplats are likely to be virtually identical visually due to diminishing returns for power at that level. Only coded to the metal exclusives would be able to present any type of graphical difference between the 2 systems.

Please link them.

There are rumors and there are rumors,if you heard it from the mouth of a blind fanboy no that is not valid,what is been claim was say by a journalist who was on E3 and claimed he was told by developers that sony's machine was more powerful.

I haven't read a single journalist or leaker claming scarlet would be more powerful.

PlayStation’s next-generation console ticks all those boxes, starting with an AMD chip at the heart of the device. (Warning: some alphabet soup follows.) The CPU is based on the third generation of AMD’s Ryzen line and contains eight cores of the company’s new 7nm Zen 2 microarchitecture. The GPU, a custom variant of Radeon’s Navi family, will support ray tracing, a technique that models the travel of light to simulate complex interactions in 3D environments. While ray tracing is a staple of Hollywood visual effects and is beginning to worm its way into high-end processors and Nvidia’s recently announced RTX line, no game console has been able to manage it.

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

The signs point at hardware based ray tracing.

The AMD chip also includes a custom unit for 3D audio that Cerny thinks will redefine what sound can do in a videogame.

Ray tracing is compare to Nvidia side which is hardware based,and after the ray tracing part they claim the chip will ALSO have a custom unit for 3d audio,the use of the word also on chip after ray tracing means hardware based.

Sony will probably have to clarify but from what it looks it look like the PS5 will have hardware based solution.

Have fun fighting about 0.02% difference in power between PS and Xbox. Amuse us PC gamers.

Seriously, gonna need to use the Hubble space telescope to find any difference. lol

Now, Super Mighty Anaconda on the other hand... :P