Interesting fact about those crime ridden Democrat run cities.

Turns out that, as common sense would dictate, red cities are just as crime ridden and violent as their states, with homicide and murder rates towering over most blue cities and states.

So much for the "it's the blue cities" excuse.

Uhm, you do understand they're called "blue cities" because the leadership in those cities are blue, right? Ever heard of mayors, city councilmen? You know, the people who govern cities...

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

You're dishonest there.

This might be one of the worst nit-picks I have seen here.

But I'm glad you didn't actually disagree with his actual and factual point, and merely took issue with his use of quotes. Lmao.

Despite politicized claims that this rise was the result of criminal justice reform in liberal-leaning jurisdictions, murders roseroughly equallyin cities run by Republicans and cities run by Democrats.

Myths and Realities: Understanding Recent Trends in Violent Crime | Brennan Center for Justice

So there are incredibly high murder rates everywhere.

Where's Robocop when you need him.

That report is skewed. The murder rate is high in those states because of the murders in Democrat-controlled cities.

That study has been thoroughly debunked.

And yet you don't have the receipts.

so how you try to excuse the data when it shows republican led cities with higher murder rates than similarly-sized democrat led ones?

"herp derp, i know! the actual people committing the murders must be from democrat-led households! yeah! that's it!

checkmate!"

Yeah. Let's look at your article.

Jacksonville's highest number is 176 homicides in 2020, but it's 79 now (2022). By comparison, Chicago has 448 so far in 2022. The rest of your article moves to states, not cities. That is because in those "red" states, the democrat controlled cities produce most of the homicides - like Jackson, MI and New Orleans, LA.

Checkmate? Hardly. Nice try.

What are you dog whistling here?

And I'm asking specifically who are these cultures.

Red states are at the bottom of many many lists, including murder rate.

Nah,

Blaming this on Dems is just fake news.

Of course he doesn't.

@zaryia: You keep linking THE SAME STUDY. LMAO!!!!

Try harder, goofball.

Chicago, Detroit, Gary, Baltimore... all Dem strongholds, all crime ridden shitholes. And yes, I live right out side Chicago.

1. And? I had to reiterate it asyou haven't actually refuted the original one yet with citation. I'll literally use it again if you don't refute it with equal citation in your next post. LJS called you out on receipts, and you brought nothing. They ignored your ass after that.

2. The Brennan Center link used multiple studies and articles, on top of the one posted ITT. Why lie?

3. I posted a completley different study in the 3rd link. But lets type in all caps in the hopes no one sees it right. 😁 "Homicide rates are 28 percent higher in Republican-voting counties than in Democratic-voting counties." OOF.

Hell here's a right wing source even agreeing with us,

Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’ - WSJ

Resorting to ad-hominems, thought as much from someone losing.

Huh? I don't have to do anything.

The balls still in your court to refute the original study with your own properly linked one, and also refute the additional studies & non-oped articles I just brought. You were last left hanging after being check-mated by Comp-atkins and LJS. You never got up from that and they even stopped bothering to respond to you days ago. You have to try.

"But cities that do have Republican mayors do not have lower murder rates than similarly sized Democratic-led cities, the study found."

This isn't related to party, and that's a fact.

• http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/californias_republican_counties_have_worse_crime_trends.pdf
• Myths and Realities: Understanding Recent Trends in Violent Crime | Brennan Center for Justice
• Murders Are Rising. Blaming a Party Doesn’t Add Up. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
• The Red State Murder Problem – Third Way

• Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’ - WSJ

^Man, it's as if you're objectively wrong and this was national, and had nothing to do with Democrats. Good luck telling us all of this is fake because you said so and nothing more to go on.

@zaryia: I didn't go past your first one, because your points are... rediculous. Your very first link was a rehash of the same study - that's all I needed to know.

Democrat controlled cities are shitholes.

There's a reason the belief that Dem run cities have higher crime rate... because it's true! End of story! I don't give a FLYING F**K how many obscure studies you link, buddy. All you have to do is turn on the news for a day.

Nah, I found multiple new studies and articles. Not that I needed to, the original was pretty damn good and went unrefuted. Take the L on this kid, my new bullet point list of links ate you alive. There is no counter data.

Facts are superior to lies,

"But cities that do have Republican mayors do not have lower murder rates than similarly sized Democratic-led cities, the study found."

Homicide rates are 28 percent higher in Republican-voting counties than in Democratic-voting counties."

Despite politicized claims that this rise was the result of criminal justice reform in liberal-leaning jurisdictions, murders rose roughly equallyin cities run by Republicans and cities run by Democrats.

Blue States and Counties have a much higher average HDI and QOL than Red Ones. As in they are superior places to live, by far, on average. The same goes for Countries, every one that has superior living conditions than USA is more liberal than USA.

Far right conservatism (which is the type found in US) is shit tier buddy. Relegated to 3rd world hellholes.

@zaryia: Wait... one more time:

I don't care what your obscure studies with their slanted statistics show.

Here's to hoping the polls are true and your party gets its ass kicked this November.

Said he doesn't care what several sets of facts say and then went completely off-topic. Yup he lost.

@zaryia: No, I didn't lose anything. I can dig up studies that back up my point of view, but why bother? You won't believe them anyway!

Yeah, I'm quite the student of your posts in political gamers. You cannot imagine a situation where Democrats have done wrong. You're an ardent zealot, my friend.

So, what's the point discussing this with you? That's rhetorical, the answer is "there is no point".

So yeah, I don't care what your studies show. I didn't even read them. All I have to do is watch the news.

Every major statistical fact I can find shows Democrat run cities are more crime ridden.

https://realestate.usnews.com/places/rankings/most-dangerous-places

https://www.google.com/amp/s/katv.com/amp/news/nation-world/analysis-democrats-at-the-helm-of-11-of-the-15-deadliest-cities-in-us

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/cities-with-most-murders

Even the ones in red states are mostly run by Democrats. Wtf are you even arguing with him hear about? Do you deny Democrat run cities are in fact more dangerous?

Jesus christ are you that Naive?

Then do it instead of constantly taking Ls.

Don't worry, we already know you don't care about or read facts.

Every single study I can find says this recent crime wave isn't a Democrat only problem. Also every single study I can find shows Democrat ran areas are better places to live on average, in regards to your "shithole" comment.

Red-Herrings and/or Straw-Man. Neither of those data sets refute, counter, conflict these data sets:

• http://www.cjcj.org/uploads/cjcj/documents/californias_republican_counties_have_worse_crime_trends.pdf
• Myths and Realities: Understanding Recent Trends in Violent Crime | Brennan Center for Justice
• Murders Are Rising. Blaming a Party Doesn’t Add Up. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
• The Red State Murder Problem – Third Way
• Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’ - WSJ

Top 10 lists from rando sites will give different results from national averaging comparisons in comprehensive studies. This isn't conflicting information. In other words, even if the data you posted were true, the following quotes remain true:

And I'll keep posting those factual and unrefuted quotes.

@zaryia: Yep, yep. That's why I don't bother with zealots.

Someone else posted links that contradicted your comments; and predictably, you denounce them - because no articles or studies are correct unless they say what you want them to say, right?

You're a zealot. It doesn't make you right, it just makes you tiresome and boring; and genuinely unworthy of debating.

I do strive to be a decent person but I am not Jesus. I'm waiting for you to list the cultures. Something causing you to be afraid to do so? Is it that you don't want the dog whistle to be noticed?

Why won't you guys answer him? Don't want the perma?

Man what a bunch of scared kids the conservatives here are. 😂🤣🤣

Forget the fact they weren't comprehensive studies like what we posted. He linked red-herrings and seemingly used a straw-man. See more below,

I didn't denounce them. They are probably correct. They just don't counter my data or claim. This isn't a Democrat only problem and that's a fact.

A top 10 doesn't contradict national averages. A 7th grader learns this in math class. Why do I always have to explain this to conservatives here? Weird.....

You're saying this because you objectively lost our debate going by all factual data sets.

All you have been capable of doing is spamming ad-homs after the LJS I posted multiple studies ending any debate. Zero refutation, apart from clinging on to SilentChief's last minute red-herrings.

I'm not a zealot, and what makes me right is every study saying I'm right. This isn't a Democrat only problem.

@zaryia: Oh my GOD, you are such a zealot. This isn't the first time I have had to deal with you on these forums.

You cannot, for any reason whatsoever, EVER admit the Democrats do ANYTHING wrong. It is impossible for you to do so. I am a moderate Republican, I am a supporter of civil rights, especially LGBTQ, and helping out the unfortunate. But, I also agree with the founding tenets of the Republican party, and am firmly aligned with Republican foreign policy of "peace through strength". That being said - they do a lot wrong, and I hold them accountable for it - and, sometimes I am forced to vote for a Democrat because that person is the better candidate.

That is something that you could never do. You cannot accept any bad practices of the Democrat party, and would probably off yourself if you had to vote for a Republican. That's because you are a ZEALOT.

I'm a zealot for agreeing with every comprehensive study on this matter?

Interesting. And by interesting I mean that's some bat shit crazy nonsense.

Wrong. I'm just refuting cons. That doesn't mean I like that Democrat areas are also just as crime ridden. I don't like how they run things either in these areas. But I'm just bringing the facts home.

I'm just fact checking people. You're going way over board over that.

@zaryia: Yes, you're a zealot for following real evidence and not allowing irrational emotion to guide you. Arguing with so-called conservatives is like playing chess with a pigeon.

I have higher confidence in the pigeon.

Every comprehensive study? The first one you used, that you reposted, has been debunked multiple times. And, the source is a leftist think tank. Unbiased, indeed...

You are a zealot, bro. You did exactly what I said you were going to do - your studies are the only "true" ones, everything else is "fake". Democrats are the messiahs, and the evil "Cons" (so telling that you call Conservatives "Cons") are always wrong.

You are quite a narrowminded fellow.

Oh, and I see that like clockwork, the other zealots have arrived to back you up! Wonderful...

Citation? Also you forgot to "debunk" all the other links as well.

Agreeing with every known study is not a zealot. I'm just agreeing with the facts.

I literally said his top 10 lists weren't fake and probably correct. I'm simply telling you a top 10 list of cities when there are thousands of cities doesn't alter a comprehensive studies that are looking at the average.

This is 7th grade math. Why are you not getting this.

I have never said this nor do I think this.

You seem mad that facts don't agree with your feelings.

@zaryia: I call it like I see it, bro. You are as blue as can be, just embrace it already. Your attempts to be all "high and mighty" and "above the fray" with some measure of independent thinking is very unbecoming and disingenuous of you.

Fun fact: I'm really not even reading your responses anymore. Like I said, I know to whom I'm conversing... "blah blah blah Democrats are always right blah blah blah 'Republicons' bad blah blah blah"

I lost interest in your actual rebuttals about 10 posts ago, because I really don't care what you have to say. I'm just having fun pointing out your fanatical party loyalty with each reply. And, it's fun to watch the lefties of this forum come to your aid as if this forum is a lefty ideologue safe-space.

Why would I get a perma ban for stating a basic fact? Lefties get so offended by facts they want to ban you?? 🤣🤣🤣 No wonder Elon bought Twitter. Such a sad sensitive group.

I've mentioned this before. African Americans make up 13% of the population and are responsible for anywhere from 40% to 50% of violent crimes any given year. It's less of a race issue and more of a culture issue, specifically in America.

But the "family values!!!!"

Mindless ad-hominem spam after objectively losing a factual and data driven debate is not good forum etiquette.

If you feel any of my 5 sources are incorrect refute them directly with your own citation. However, insulting me with fictional and false accusations gets you no where. Thank you.

lmao!

Yet none of the lefties on here accept basic statistics 🤣🤣

@zaryia:

I literally said his top 10 lists weren't fake and probably correct. I'm simply telling you a top 10 list of cities when there are thousands of cities doesn't alter a comprehensive studies that are looking at the average.

This is 7th grade math. Why are you not getting this.

11 of the top 15 cities are ran by Democrats. Explain that average to me. A study taking thousands of cities( with small populations) doesn't counter the fact. If you compare crime in large cities based off per capita numbers they are generally worse In Democrat ran areas.

There are more than 15 cities......in USA....

I mean. Just wow.

You using a red-herring/straw-man is not the same as someone else being wrong. You're proving tjandmia and LJS's point on pigeons.

No shit Sherlock. When you compare the " most dangerous " cities the vast majority of them are ran by Democrats. That's the point. You can expand it to top 50 and the results stay the same.

We're aware of your straw-man, goal-postmove, and/or red-herring.

But here were the uncontested facts,

"But cities that do have Republican mayors do not have lower murder rates than similarly sized Democratic-led cities, the study found."

"Homicide rates are 28 percent higher in Republican-voting counties than in Democratic-voting counties."

"Despite politicized claims that this rise was the result of criminal justice reform in liberal-leaning jurisdictions, murders rose roughly equallyin cities run by Republicans and cities run by Democrats."

Lol " counties" 🤣🤣🤣. The most dangerous city in America " Monroe LA" is ran by Democrats is in a republican county. I love the spin.

Great way to manipulate basic statistics but the truth remains.

Surely by now you see how this sentence doesn't conflict with the 3 bolded ones.

You posting a straw-man and red-herring to go along with it is not me manipulating basic stats. None of the stats I have posted were false or manipulated. You didn't refute the data.

The most basic stats/truth on cities does indeed remain the same:

"But cities that do have Republican mayors do not have lower murder rates than similarly sized Democratic-led cities, the study found."

"Despite politicized claims that this rise was the result of criminal justice reform in liberal-leaning jurisdictions, murders rose roughly equallyin cities run by Republicans and cities run by Democrats."

You would need to explain why the most dangerous cities are overwhelmingly ran by Democrats. The stats are based off per capita numbers not overall. That study seems to mainly factor in cities of smaller sizes.

I never made a claim about " the rise in crime".