Paul Pelosi tied up, attacked in his home

Have you seen your posts ITT? Everyone is wondering the same about you. Completely removed from reality in an attempt to defend far right violence which completely dwarves any other types.

Yeah, he was way too much into far right conspiracy theories.

By the time DePape, 42, allegedly broke into Pelosi’s residence Friday and attacked with a hammer her 82-year-old husband, Paul, his writings were laden with far-right messaging that indicated a dark, conspiratorial spiral.

Its not a conspiracy cretian fact just don't fit the narritive being presented.

When glass breaks it goes in the direction force was applied.

It certainly not yours, and you seem to be allergic to nuance

Some of it.

Some stays in the frame because glass shatters and chunks fall out, and can fall in either direction when the door is jostled. Maybe he broke it free, then reached inside, opened the door, and then slammed it in the other direction. I don't know and I am not going to speculate because that doesn't really help.

And let's be real clear: we are not in the "certain facts don't fit the narrative" stage yet. It's a recent crime and still being investigated.

There used to be this thing we did, way back in the day, called "reserving judgement". You know, we'd wait. Wait until we had all the information. We'd wait for people that are smarter than us, or at least smarter than us in a specific field, to gather the information and then release it.

If we get to a point where they start burning evidence and tell us something odd, then fine. Have a fun time with the conspiracies. But until then...let's all just chill.

The wood from the window/door was inside. But glass can shatter some fragments outside.

But

Considering you either did not read my post before responding to me or you didn't understand my post but responded anyway, I'd say you're the one allergic to nuance. Also facts.

If you think none of his far right politics were involved in this, then you're high on copium.

By the time DePape, 42, allegedly broke into Pelosi’s residence Friday and attacked with a hammer her 82-year-old husband, Paul, his writings were laden with far-right messaging that indicated a dark, conspiratorial spiral.

I dont want to butt in here, but who cares if he is left, right or a radical centrist?

What matters is what sort of thoughts that went into his head that pushed him to do this? And the cause, seems to be mostly paranoid conspiratorial thinking.

Still not going to put it past Paul Pelosi, that this was a male hooker he had over. Not saying it's true, just saying it's a possibility.

@sargentd: Thats nice. Keep it to your sad facebook group.

Alright Alex Jones, whatever you say.

lol CSI gamespot here now.

Assuming it's tempered it shatters into bits that just go everywhere. I've seen my friend's aunt walk though a sliding glass ( tempered ) door she thought was open. There was an equal amount of glass bits on the ground on the side she walked from as there were in the direction she was headed.

@comp_atkins: we need to see the security footage

No you don't. You need what the investigators say. We don't have security footage for 99% of cases and investigations.

You're making shit up because you found out this guy was a far right delection denier.

Conservative figures push salacious theory about Pelosi attack as local police chief debunks it | CNN Politics

Mindless conjecture is fun.

By the way folks I heard @sargentd eats babies and punches their moms afterwards.

Not saying it's true, just saying it's a possibility.

I'd need to see footage of @sargentd not eating those babies to be convinced.

The wild part is you doing these examples/satire isn't even as bad as what he has actually said in the past. SargentD called me a child groomer in another thread for refuting proven fake Q-Anon conspiracy theories.

Reserving judgement? Lmfao, you guys already have him pegged as a Trump supporting 8chan surfing Trump supporter radicalized by Faux News. You should try some of that "reserving judgement" for after you've actually seen the facts. The narrative being promoted by the media doesn't actually fit the facts that we know.

@eoten: More like the facts dont fit the bogus narrative you guys came up with. The words of Depape, Pelosi and the police mean nothing to you. Instead you believe the most obviously bs story you hear, and ignore everyone telling you its bs. By his own admission he fell into right wing conspiracy nonsense, kinda like the crap thats being spouted here.

Well I didn't come up with a bogus narrative though, did I? But a number of you are clearly ignoring characteristics of this individual that do not fit yours. You're ignoring the fact he was some nudist activist, that he had a pride flag, BLM flag. One of his neighbors interviewed even claimed him to be a left-wing activist. These are all things that have been confirmed. All things people like you have ignored in order to push a divisive narrative that this was some how some Fox News patron. Based on what?

@eoten: Who’s pushing divisive narratives here? I see one side looking at the investigation and the facts from first hand accounts, and another side pulling ridiculous stories out of their ass. Nudist activist means nothing. The flags you cling to for the dear life of your joke of a story weren’t even his. And youll take his neighbors words over…his own? We’re ignoring your crap because thats all its good for, to be ignored. You’re ignoring actual reality.

So what you're saying is that after exploring all the extreme left, it was acting on conspiracies the extreme right spews that landed him in jail? Telling.

No, I'm saying ignoring the far left conspiracies, the far left activism, the BLM flags, the pride flags, to try to paint him as a right wing extremist for no other reason than who the victim is is being intentionally dishonest and divisive. The attacker also had a very long history of drug abuse and mental health problems, even called the police on neighbors several times believing his neighbors to be plotting against him.

This extends well beyond this case. This is a relatively new pattern in which the party engages in violence and then sheds all responsibility and introspection for it, often to the point of ridiculous and tortuous reasoning. Look at this shit:

And not facing this has caused this type broken, conspiratorial thinking to go mainstream within the party.

It. Must. Stop.

It can't be stopped by anyone outside the party. It has to be stopped by those within the party - by those currently engaging in it.

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I need to see the tapes!

I too am lost by the tribalism and the obsession of placing a "team" marking on it. This is just another perfect example for me in placing emphasis towards self defense and castle doctrine.

This was a politically motivated attack according to officials. I know you're not dumb enough to think it was left wing politics.

He WAS far left. He then became far right over time. As in he now is far right.

David DePape went from far left to far right. It's more common than you think. (sfgate.com)

Problem for your argument is time machines don't exist (yet). The most dishonest and divisive rhetoric around this attack has been from far right conspiracy loons like SargentD. Or pretending this wasn't right wing political violence.

Apparently this dude was an illegal alien from Canada... Why wasn't he deported? Don't the Pelosis live in a sanctuary city??

Trolling or crazy?

@zaryia: I'm being serious lol

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/is-pelosis-attacker-an-illegal-immigrant

His baby mama was a progressive and says they shared similar beliefs and that she loves Nancy...

OPINION

Is Pelosi’s attacker an illegal immigrant?

by Conn Carroll, Commentary Editor

October 31, 2022 02:59 PM

There is still a lot we don’t know about the man who attacked Paul Pelosi after 2 a.m. on Friday morning, but it seems increasingly clear that he was an illegal immigrant.

David DePape reportedly grew up in Powell River, British Columbia, and, according to CNN, “left Canada about 20 years ago to pursue a relationship that brought him to California.”

As long as he crossed the border at a port of entry and presented himself for inspection, there is nothing illegal about a Canadian visiting the United States. But it can only be a visit. Canadians are only allowed to stay in the U.S. for a maximum of six months before they have to apply for an extension. Even then, the maximum extension is only for another six months. Then, you have to go back to Canada.

That means that after the first year he was in the U.S., DePape would have become an illegal immigrant. It is possible that he had an American parent, married a U.S. citizen at some point, or pursued naturalization through some other path. But so far, no such thing has been reported.

What we do know is that DePape had two children with nudist-activist Oxane “Gypsy” Taub.

Now, Taub did get married, more than once, but not to DePape, who attended at least one of Taub’s weddings as the couple’s “best man.” It appears that DePape was living with Taub, the mother of two of his children, at the time and was apparently OK with her marrying another man who was half Taub’s age.

"He is mentally ill. He has been mentally ill for a long time," Taub told ABC 7 from the California Institution For Women in Corona, where she is serving time for the attempted abduction of a 14-year-old boy.

“When I met him, he was only 20 years old,” Taub continued, “and he didn't have any experience in politics, and he was very much in alignment with my views and I've always been very progressive. I absolutely admire Nancy Pelosi."

As an illegal immigrant, it would have been impossible for DePape to secure a legal job, which only leads to more questions. For example, how was he able to afford to live in a home in Richmond, California, just north of Berkeley?"

this dude is a fruit loop that's here illegally from Canada.

I'm still not rulling out Paul Pelosi was paying this dude to bang

You didn't even remember to edit out that you linked a lunatic fringe crazy town opinion piece.

Then I feel bad for you.

You'll never get around the fact this was a far right politically motivated attack.

@zaryia: the opinion piece is using sources hyper linked to CNN, AP, and ABC.

I'm on mobile right now sorrryyyy

https://abc7news.com/gypsy-taub-david-depape-san-francisco-pelosi-assault-who-attacked-paul-conspiracy-theory/12396990/

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The former partner of the man accused of violently attacking Speaker Nancy Pelosi's husband at their San Francisco home on Friday is revealing new details about the suspect.

"Hello this is Gypsy Taub. I am the ex-life partner of David DePape and the mother of his children," said Oxane Taub, calling from the Californian Institution For Women in Corona, California.

Taub -- better known as "Gypsy" -- is a well-known nudist activist who spoke with ABC7 in 2013 at a protest in San Francisco.

"We just wanted to test the waters to see how much the police department respected our first amendment rights," said Taub in 2013. Now she's revealing a longtime relationship with David DePape.

"He is mentally ill. He has been mentally ill for a long time," said Taub, who last year was found guilty on 20 counts, including the attempted abduction of a 14-year-old boy near his Berkeley high school.

Taub told ABC7 News that she and DePape met more than 20 years ago. Together they raised their two sons and her daughter until about seven years ago.

She described a time DePape returned home after disappearing for a year.

"He came back in very bad shape. He thought he was Jesus. He was constantly paranoid, thinking people were after him," Taub said. "And it took a good year or two to get back to, you know, being halfway normal."

Fruit loop nudist that thinks he's Jesus

His baby mama did time for abducting a 14 year old??

Not a fan of the tribalism either and I think we are losing sight of the goal (let the investigation and truth run its course, not our beliefs).

It would be nice if Democrats and Republicans came together and established a unified narrative of "This guy attacked someone and that should not be turned into a part of the political agenda." That would have been really cool.

But that's not what we got. Instead we got folks in the news, on both sides, within hours going on the offensive because they knew this man subscribed to far-right beliefs but also had a history of far-left activism, so where there is doubt, sow sow sow.

Good or bad, it really is kind of fascinating how quickly this whole thing snowballed into a slew of conspiracy theories. There are a lot of folks out there with mental health issues and that's fertile ground for stuff like this, and the folks in charge know it.

What does that have to do with anything?

Stop trying to spin things. You're trying to make this guy out to be one of "the other" group, like he isn't American therefore it makes more sense he would do something like this?

C'mon...

@mrbojangles25: well people are claiming in this thread he's MAGA. How maga is he being a nudist activist in Berkeley CA who's in the country Illegally from Canada.

Doesn't sound MAGA to me. Should have deported his Canadian ass.

MAGA is not necessarily far-right. It is by association, but it doesn't have to be. Trump is not a far-right guy or a conservative. He did what he always does and made his own brand and markets it.

Literally anyone can be MAGA, and/or a nudism activist, and/or a far-right fundamentalist.

As mentioned before, a significant chunk of Trump voters were disillusioned democrats.

...Data shows that in 2016, these voters comprised roughly 13% of Trump voters. In 2012, this segment of voters made up 9% of total Obama voters. Seven percent of 2012 Obama voters did not vote at all in 2016, and 3% voted for a third party candidate. While some analysts consider Obama–Trump voters to have been decisive in Trump's 2016 victory, others have disputed this conclusion....

They voted for Obama (an outsider) because they thought he'd be their savior; he wasn't, they got pissed, resentful, and went to vote for a different savior named Trump (another outsider).

The whole idea that Trump is one side or another is laughable, and always has been. The GOP was against him in the beginning because they knew he was going to play them both like a fiddle, and he did. Trump is on his own side, and no one else's.

People support Trump because it allows them to indulge in their baser instincts. I don't know if this guy supports Trump in a technical sense, but he might have supported the culture of the far right and that's enough.

I think the media needs to highlight the difference between far-right fundamentalism and MAGA. There's a big difference between pissed-off nationalists that wave a Trump flag and someone who thinks the Jews pulled a Manchurian Candidate and forced this guy to attack someone he should be allied with 😋

If FOX News came out and was still pro-MAGA but started being more critical of far-right talking points, I'd consider that an improvement.

@mrbojangles25: look at you!!! Still trying to tie this batshit looney toon to a political side in America.

For a second I actually though you meant all that other BS you said a few posts up.

But nah..

You roll in the mud with all the other pigs just the same.

Save you whole rant about how he's far right not maga or however you want to SPIN IT.

If hes legit an illegal immigrant from Canada he can't vote in the country. He shouldn't have even been here.

His crazy nudist baby mama said he dissapeared for awhile came back and thought he was Jesus.

She's straight up saying he's flat out mental. And your really going to try and convince me this is far-right rhetoric?

Why do you go to that? Before you go to "he's a mental case"

Again you fall for same bs you acted like you were tired of. Your doing it yourself...

@sargentd: maybe I phrased it poorly, but I thought it was pretty clear there is no side, or if there are sides, the borders are pretty weak. People can float around and belong to whatever party and/or group they want. Maybe he is a Trump supporter and assaulted the Pelosi household for MAGA; maybe he went too far left and wanted the world to be nudist and went to assault a local politician that withheld his dreams. Maybe he got brainwashed by far-right ideals and did it because of that.

In either case, I'm waiting for the investigation and the actual facts to come to light.

While it's fine to entertain ideas of why this might have happened, the problem with conspiracy theories is they tend to spin their yarn with a certain degree of certainty, so people tend to believe it without the context that it is just a theory.

For example, citing the direction the glass was broken and suddenly saying anything else is impossible to have happened because of this.

Sadly, this isn't new. I don't how old you are, but if you recall the OJ Simpson case, that was full of this stuff. OJ did it, OJ was framed, white people did it, etc. The accompanying media spectacle didn't help either.

While I love living in a free society, sometimes I wish there was a bit of confidentiality to things, at least for a period of time. Like "We won't release photos for two weeks" or something.

@mrbojangles25: what's interesting to me is watching all the big news stations claiming this guy was affiliated with the right. With no evidence of it. I can't even get mad at people for arguing tribalistic bias with this situation.

Our highly distinguished "journalists" partake in the rolling in the mud the best. Jumping on any narrative that fits what they need the most at the time. Regardless of proof

@sargentd: yeah I don't think he was "affiliated" with the right at all. I don't imagine this guy going to rallies and stuff like that😋

But a lot of conspiracy theories can still worm into your brain no matter what side of the spectrum you're on. I think it gives the whole horseshoe theory a lot of credence; people think we transition at the middle of the horseshoe, crossing a distinct border; but really, the most radical of us live at the opposite ends of the horseshoe, and can easily jump from one end to another. Oh look, there I go now, subscribing to radical theories 😁

I do think he had mental health issues and that seems to be a common trend among extremists on both sides, but I don't want to make that the sole issue like we have done with other things (mass shootings, crime, drug abuse, etc) because folks with these issues shouldn't be stigmatized. About 50% of the population will suffer from a variety of issues (anxiety, depression, narcissism, sociopathy, OCD, ADHD, BPD, etc.) at some point in their life, and relatively no one is getting help for that.

So an unhinged apparently far right homeless guy was able to waltz right up to the home of the third most powerful person in the USA break in and assault someone.

Lol. Its hilarious how you leftist lunatics are supporting that narrative. Almost like the Hunter Biden laptop wasn’t real. You guys are beyond logic and extremely unintelligent.

@Skarwolf: Security detail was with Nancy, not at the house. It's hilarious how you support every narrative but the real one.

Convenient how that works, right? Everyone is suddenly far right when they do something violent. That's how you make the pieces fit? ROFLMAO. Just like all those violent BLM and Antifa rioters who suddenly became right wing before setting cities on fire? And yet, you people still ignore a few basic simple facts. Pelosi has around the clock security not only of her home, but every building on every property owned by her and Paul. This includes law enforcement officers. So if he wasn't invited in by Paul, how'd he get in?

Yeah, the official narrative doesn't add up, no matter how hard you hammer on those square pegs. I guess that's what you get when all you listen to is politicized media constantly trying to push a narrative as opposed to reporting facts.

I'm just stating facts. If these facts harm your feelings, eject the thread.

Lunatic conspiracy theory.

They didn't become far right. But other far right groups DID engage in violence in those areas as well. But stay on topic please.

Don't let facts and reality get in your way.

You've stated nothing outside of what you've heard others say in your political media of choice. Case in point that you people latch onto divisive political media is the fact this thread was even created. I don't recall it getting much air time or any of you rushing to start a thread over previous political attacks, such as the attempted murder of Brett Kavanaugh. Why? Because you didn't get the marching orders from liberal media to do so, like you do over this incident, and it's the same people feeding you people the nonsensical disinformation that several years of being a far, far left activist means nothing, that he suddenly turned into some MAGA right wing extremist moments before attacking Paul Pelosi.

To normal people, your reactions and the double standards that come with them are comical when they're not disturbing to realize there are people out there who actually fall for this shit.

SFGATE is a "High Fact" source. I don't have to entertain your bullshit lunatic conspiracy theories.

I'm not sure how agreeing with the all of the facts of this situation and story are double standards or disturbing.

Reality isn't that bad. Come join us here.

How is that disinformation? What is your counter source to the factual reports showing he was far left and he became far right?

If what I'm posting is false, can you cite the "real" info?