Who will win the 2020 US Presidential election?

@Stevo_the_gamer: I can assure you Antifa ain’t there. And BLM is mostly peaceful.

Ah yes, when bottles, bricks and fireworks were being thrown at us. It was just a peaceful way for them to celebrate social distancing. Clearly all the tangible interactions we've had, and millions of dollars in damage, are misplaced.

You love incorrect stereotypes, don't you? 99% of BLM people aren't like that. And what do you mean us?

@Stevo_the_gamer said: @thegreatchomp said: @Stevo_the_gamer: I can assure you Antifa ain’t there. And BLM is mostly peaceful.

Ah yes, when bottles, bricks and fireworks were being thrown at us. It was just a peaceful way for them to celebrate social distancing. Clearly all the tangible interactions we've had, and millions of dollars in damage, are misplaced.

The $2 billion in property damage and up to what? 40 some murders now over the last few months isn't from the right. You cannot point to right wing violence to justify any of this. The left likes to make monsters out of windmills so they can convince themselves they're some kind of heros, when in reality the prejudice, bigotry, intolerance, fascism, it's coming from the left and the people on the left refuse to see and acknowledge it. All they can do is make pathetic excuses for it.

@eoten: While you ignore the Presidents racism, armed militias invading buildings and threatening to kidnap and even kill elected officials. Don’t forget the right wingers caught rioting in those protests or the police running over peaceful protesters or them being gassed by your dear leader.

Then there is voter suppression, illegal drop boxes, hacking of oppositions children, false claims of not being born here. Not to mention Trump supporters putting everyone who doesn’t like Trump down, like we are unamerican baby eaters. QAnon?

I didn’t even mention the hated of gays and minorities or talking down to women.

You blame the left because you are trained to, but reality is all the prejudice, bigotry, intolerance and fascism come from the right. It will take us decades to fix the mess you caused.

FYI, fascism is a right wing ideology not an all purpose word. It’s an actual doctrine with actual tenets. Left Wingers by definition can totalitarian but not fascist. Get it right.

Trying to tie the Michigan plot by anarchists to people on the right is disingenuous, and your claims that Trump is a racist has been debunked. And holy shit, you actually think those are people on the right causing riots and burning businesses?

@eoten: And there it is. You can’t respond effectively and proved nothing. You also took one thing I said out of context. There are right wingers in there, I never said all. The Trump is a racist thing hasn’t been debunked, you just refuse to believe it.

Take the L, you got nothing.

I've proven nothing? You've done nothing but make another stupid baseless claim about racism that you couldn't possibly even prove. This is what you remind me of.

Here come the personal attacks and fake outrage. You made multiple claims in your post, and instead of defending those claims you insult me. Of course, there is no point in debating you as you just reject all information as fake news anyway. I will no feed you, xabiss or sevenizz any further.

It's not a personal attack at all. Everytime I've pointed out the violence and damage caused by leftwing riots, your only answer is "nuh uh, it's Nazis" or something along those lines. 40 dead, over $2 billion in property damage and that's just what is in insurance claims and you're trying to compare this to what? A fucking rally almost four years ago where one person got killed in a massive cluster ****?

Liberal voters are bedwetters and doomsdayers. I do believe Biden will win. Trump telling all of his supporters to vote in person absolutely could backfire. He's hoping everyone will be available and come out and vote for him on election day- while democrats will have been voting for a month. Even if thousands of ballots comeback incomplete/rejected/whatever- turnout for Dems will be higher which equals a victory, IMO.

Yeah. The problem trump faces at the moment is that an act of god or a bad finish to his campaign can make it a lot harder for his voters to show up on election day. If he never criticised mail in ballots he would have been fine.

I'm believing in the math at this point. There are more Democrats than Republicans in the USA. Voter turnout this election will be at an all-time high. There are more ways to safely vote (mail). Democrats will be voting all month. 18 million people have already voted. Trump's path to victory last time was small and he was facing the hated Hillary Clinton. Biden is polling close or over 50% in every battleground. I'm not saying Trump cant pull it off- but it's really hard for him to win. Its just the math.

@Shmiity: He will. Democrats are already being out voted.

Democrats are outvoting Republicans 2 - 1 in early voting thus far across 42 states. Outvoting Republicans by 400,000 in Florida right now.

@Shmiity: Not in Wisconsin or Ohio.

Actually, I read earlier that most of the new voter registrations are registering as Republican. So the assertion that Democrats are going to have more voters probably isn't true. Here's an article showing Republicans, who won Florida in 2016, having a massive surge in new voter registration for this years election. Yeah, not looking good for Biden.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/24/florida-republicans-voter-registration-surge-420936

That is interesting... source?

I would almost have expected Republicans to win the vote only for Democrats to take it with the mail in ballots.

@Maroxad:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/democrats-leading-in-early-vote-but-republicans-can-still-catch-up-2020-10%3Famp

Most Trump supporters plan to vote in person. What you will see is most the Biden votes being mail-in and most the Trump votes being in person, so if there's not a HUGE lead leading up to election day, Biden's fucked.

No one debunks trump is racist. Hell he was sued twice by the justice department for discrimination. They have found right in the protests causing damage.......yes.

Thanks.

This looks very promising.

Not only does it look like the election could turn out a landslide victory for Democrats, but it could be a promising pattern for future elections, where more and more people (democrats especially), realize that voting early is safer and more convenient, and could help counter decades of voter suppression by republicans.

The democratic voter turnout, and turnout in general could show how much the country flat out rejects fascism.

I was worried Democrats were gonna sit this one out, but oh how I love being proven wrong.

This doesnt mean Democrats are guaranteed to win though, GOPers could see these news and might push a few extra Trumpers to vote. Likewise, Democrats could get complacent with this lead, and fall behind. But seeing democrats vote this much early, should be a brilliant tactic to counter Republican voter suppression.

Edit: If Trump loses in a landslide, and then other authoritarian nationalists lose as well (Bolsonaro has a terrible approval rating). I hope this Nationalism Outbreak ends. With people learning once again, that Nationalism is a failed ideology, and incompatible with modern economics and geopolitics.

Us as in law enforcement; us as in my partners and I which were tasked with going downtown to provide security for government buildings and being part of a mobilization force which included assisting the California National Guard when they were deployed. Us as in the 70 hour work weeks back in May/June working collaboratively with over dozen regional agencies.

But thanks to BLM and Antifa from the overtime, they covered my entire costs of a house remodel. And the unrest likely coming in November, that overtime will cover a nice Christmas vacation.

This is the level of intelligence of the current president, just an FYI.

@Stevo_the_gamer: Now I see why you guys keep making things worse, didn't knew it was so profitable.

Law enforcement have an invested interest instilling fear within the minds of the criminals who believe they can loot, vandalize, assualt or intimidate others. All law enforcement salaries are of public record, feel free to research.

Exactly, now excuse me while I train my current trainee how to correctly utilize our peacemaker tan- um, mobile support unit.

@netracing: Intelligence and Trump are an oxymoron.

I doubt you're going to find very many, if at all, police who despise or even dislike protesters. But rioters, looters, arsonists.. these are not protestors, they're criminal opportunists and it's for the good of everyone on both sides, whether you disagree with the protests, or you're a legitimate protester who doesn't want to get blamed for these criminal acts. So, police stopping these people are doing the right thing.

But you have to understand there are people who want the violence, and they're pushing a LOT of disinformation about police to achieve it. For example, Mike Brown never had his hands up, witnesses even said so, so why were people told this is what happened, which ultimately lead to those riots? And guess what? They didn't give you all the relevant information about George Floyd either.

But, these riots have really hurt Biden's chances. It's purely dishonest to say it hasn't.

Like I said earlier that is necessarily not that great for the trump campaign. An act of god or a last minute collapse in his campaign can prevent a lot of his supporters from voting on election day. Biden will be banking tens of millions of votes before November 3rd which will make it a lot harder for trump to beat him.

@super600: You do know he is assuming that’s what Trump supporters are doing. Like in some battleground states that is not what’s happening.

With Trump the lies are so fast and frequent its litterally better to just assume everything he says is a lie. Litterally.

So no amount of your concern is laid at the foot of a president who has, "unpresidentedly", taken every effort to sow doubt in our democratic process with absolutely no foundation in fact whatsoever? It's all the democrats fault? I've never seen a president take such effort to set the table in such a manner. There were protests around the country with Trump's election (of which I flew 2,000 miles to take part in), but it didn't explode in violence as it portends to be looking possible come next month. Trump is being incredibly irresponsible and setting a dangerous precedent for nothing but his own gain. How can you support that?

Look at what he just did with California's request for federal assistance with the fires. He denied it. Why? For purely partisan reasons, because they're a blue state. Is his decision based in any way on facts? No, as many of the fires are occurring on federal land. It's completely, arbitrarily determined, predicated on nothing but ideological distinction and a petty vengeance Trump holds towards those that disagree with him. Is that they way you think this country should be governed? That blue states are to be denied aid simply because the president decides based on his feelings of partisan loyalty and ideological alignment of those states that they are unworthy? If California were red he'd not be doing this, and you, and every other Trump supporter, knows that.

He is not the president not of Republicans, BUT OF AMERICA.

What they **** is he doing?? And then we have users like Eoton, who sickeningly cheer this on with statements such as "good". Truly unbelievable and unconscionable and disgusting beyond belief. Is this what we've been reduced to? Where our "president" isn't going to help out specific states unless they fall in line with his ideology?

I'm taken aback that anyone can support this, and when you come to me and say they Trump supporters are considered BAD, yes.....if you actively support such a manner of vindictive and petty governance and abysmal character that is detrimentally affecting peoples' lives, you're a piece of shit. Full stop. NOBODY should back someone who just did what he did. We are the United States, except we're not under Trump, are we? He has driven such a partisan wedge between us that we are nothing but now the Divided States of America. Not only in public sentiment, but in literal government policy.

So cast that vote in pride for him, Jesus Christ. I cannot fathom how anyone can still back Trump. They are pieces of garbage as far as I'm concerned, and I look forward to the day when they can take their hate and crawl back under the fucking rocks they emerged from when their cretin came to power. They are not Americans in any sense of the word.

Really? You've counted those votes already and know who they voted for?

https://i.redd.it/42disidb8ht51.jpg

Scary, isn't it

@netracing: We already know what they do to him.

Trump wont leave regardless of the result, fun surely to follow. The right wont accept trumps loss and will wanted the dictatorship.

I am just going to re-iterate one point. I never said Trump is without blame. I said let's not place all the blame at his feet.

You seem consumed with your hatred for Trump. I don't throw that word hate around easily, but I can't think of a word better suited in this situation.

I disagree with you, but I do not have any ill will towards you. So, this piece of garbage bids you good day.

Well, I'm hard-pressed to qualify you as garbage into my generalization, you seem like an alright dude, but I will say this in closing in turn.

Firstly, yes, I do hate Trump and don't attempt to hide it. If TDS exists, then I'm the poster boy for it (at least one to the extent that I'm not out there rioting). My life isn't consumed with hate for him, but he is one politician that extends past politics in my animosity, primarily because he's destroyed the respect I once held for those very close to me and for who I care for a great deal, who've admitted things that've been very hard to deal with (my father has admitted he's a racist in his support for Trump, and that he also doesn't care if Trump breaks the law as it would be in the best interest of the country). That hurts a lot to know, and I'd best be left in ignorance had he not been elected to demonstrate it.

Secondly, sure, I tend to judge people based on the associations they hold to others in life, and I in now way find that an unreasonable position. With Trump, his supporters love to try to have their cake and eat it too. They wish to separate the individual and his character from his political ideology in attempting to absolve themselves from responsibility of the former. I don't claim that all politicians are squeaky clean or that they one that I back is, everyone's human and has their faults, but Trump is an exception. He is so obviously personally bankrupt and he makes no illusion of it. He embraces and encourages it. One thing I've learned about Trump supporters is they hold either two of these positions:

1) they are either as morally bankrupt as he is and hence see no objection to supporting him, or....

2) if they hold any, they are willing to abdicate their morals or values to enable the support of political capital and ideology.

Neither of these I believe speaks highly of the person advocating them. People who support Trump are, frankly, sell outs. They've sold out their decency and values for politics. They have no integrity. Yet I can't claim this without being claimed as some self-righteous virtue signaler, or an arrogant, condescending, mocking individual because, heaven forbid, I find values and a strong moral center in a person paramount. Fine, if that is the cost, I'll take it.

I'd never support Trump, even if he furthered every single policy I agreed with I wouldn't even consider him from what I've seen. He is a piece of garbage. You may not be, but you're in one of two categories nonetheless, neither of which shine a favorable light. Which I know you and every other Trump supporter couldn't care less about. Fine, I don't expect you to. I just wish Trump supporters would stop whining and acting so indignant about having to lay in the bed they find suitable to sleep in.

The only hate I've seen for the last 4 years has not been coming from Trump supporters. Have a look in the mirror.

I didn't vote for Trump and the hate he enables. I easily can look in the mirror and sleep well at night, thanks.

@MirkoS77: The only hate I have seen is from the right.

trump has been spreading hate much longer than 4 years and if you aren't seeing his supporter spreading hate you are willfully ignoring it or aren't paying attention because what they say fits your world view. Which means you show hate as well. Which is it?

Florida is Trump's. New voter registration for the state has shown Republicans, who won in 2016, have been able to register far more new voters in Florida than Democrats. Since March, GOP have added +344,465 and Democrats only +197,821. In 2016, GOP added +274,207 and Democrats added +307,961. New voter registration is about 66% what it was in 2016 for dems and Republicans have gone up.

So, if you put together a 270 to win map, you can bank on Florida being red again in 2020. As long as Trump gets either Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania, game over. And looking at some reports of Pennsylvania voter registration, Republicans have added a lot more registered voters this cycle over Democrats as well.

Red wave incoming.

https://www.sharonherald.com/news/local_news/democrats-voter-registration-edge-in-pennsylvania-is-narrowing/article_d151b0de-6fa4-553c-bf22-93b81f3660a2.html

“ In 2016, there were 4.22 million registered Democrats in Pennsylvania and 3.3 million registered Republicans. As of last week, there were 4.13 million registered Democrats in the state and 3.38 million Republicans.”

If anybody is interested. That is a very narrow change. But Democrats made inroads in Suburbs , it mostly just an alignment of already existing voting patterns. Changes nothing.

https://www.paindependents.org/pa-facts-and-figures

About 12% to 14% of the state is independent or over 1 million people. It’s growing faster than both parties.

Facts matter

FYI, voter registration on party is pointless. The country is starting to go more independent so party things like this mean less and less each cycle. I am myself registered with the Green Party but voted Democrat this time. You have to read inbetween the lines and not take things at face value. Biden has even made inroads with older people in Florida, but Trump supporters won’t mention that!

Both of the candidates are massive turds, but Biden is less bad than Trump.