Kevin McCarthy gives Tucker Carlson access to all Jan 6 footage. Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell Big Mad!

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ttps://thehill.com/homenews/house/3889098-tucker-carlson-revels-in-congressional-hysteria-over-jan-6-footage/

Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) had granted Carlson exclusive access to a trove of around 44,000 hours of Capitol security footage from Jan. 6, but told reports on Tuesday evening that he did not watch Carlson’s show on Monday night.

McCarthy said that he did not regret giving Carlson access to the footage in wake of the criticism.

Fox News host Tucker Carlson mocked the criticism he received on Tuesday from congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle, including Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), during the second night of his prime-time show focusing on the Jan. 6 Capitol breach.

“They’re all on the same side. So it’s actually not about left and right. It’s not about Republicans and Democrats. Here, you have people with shared interests….The people who, underneath it all, have everything in common are all aligned against everyone else,” Carlson said.

Well this has been super entertaining!

Transparency of exactly what happened on Jan 6th sounds good to me!

Establishment left and right marching in lockstep against transparency. Not surprising.

Tucker has done 2 segments going over a lot of the footage they are combing through.

Something I found interesting was he basically proved Q anon Shaman (crazy buffalo hat guy) was actually walked through by capital police, let through the door by capital police and he even thanks them on video from the Senate halls for giving him the tour! Pretty interesting since that guy has been in prison since then. Lots of people awaiting trial claiming the same thing, that the police was waving them in.

Interesting stuff, I still have questions about Ray Epps.

Were there federal agents involved with inciting January 6th?

Find out next time on dragon ball the governments a bunch of lying bastards.

(I'll add to this thread as more footage is combed through and discussed)

Discuss.

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#2 LJS9502_basic
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It is a national security risk. Why you would be okay with that is bizarre. Also if anyone actually believes Carlson isn't cherry picking and ignoring what they witnesses on the 6th then I suggest they are the problem in this country.

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Because Tucker is so well known for his honesty. Kevin is a gutless weasel. Giving special privilege to a fake journalist that's happy to twist facts and lie to your face is just disgusting.

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@InEMplease said:

Because Tucker is so well known for his honesty. Kevin is a gutless weasel. Giving special privilege to a fake journalist that's happy to twist facts and lie to your face is just disgusting.

Transparency

Lots of footage not shown to Americans that now will be.

Gooooood 👍

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#5 InEMplease
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@sargentd said:
@InEMplease said:

Because Tucker is so well known for his honesty. Kevin is a gutless weasel. Giving special privilege to a fake journalist that's happy to twist facts and lie to your face is just disgusting.

Transparency

Lots of footage not shown to Americans that now will be.

Gooooood 👍

As if that undoes what actually took place? There's a lot more he won't show you, like it makes a difference. Like we didn't watch it happen on live television. But go ahead and support rewriting history because the truth makes your cult look like the fools they are.

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#6 LJS9502_basic
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@sargentd said:
@InEMplease said:

Because Tucker is so well known for his honesty. Kevin is a gutless weasel. Giving special privilege to a fake journalist that's happy to twist facts and lie to your face is just disgusting.

Transparency

Lots of footage not shown to Americans that now will be.

Gooooood 👍

What wasn't shown is not as important as what was shown. And if it was for transparency then it wouldn't have gone only to Tucker. You should try some critical thinking on some of these issues. You might surprise yourself.

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What's with almost every SargetD thread being based on fake news? Is there no rule against this?

McConnell slams Fox and Tucker Carlson for Jan. 6 portrayal : NPR

Even top Republicans know this is fake news rofl.

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#8  Edited By judaspete
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Making the footage publicly available would be transparency, but handing it to Tucker Carlson is just playing political theater.

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Fact Checking this thread,

PolitiFact | Tucker Carlson airs Jan. 6 footage, downplays violence at the US Capitol

SargentD posting fake news threads from literal fake news Tucker.

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@zaryia said:

What's with almost every SargetD thread being based on fake news? Is there no rule against this?

McConnell slams Fox and Tucker Carlson for Jan. 6 portrayal : NPR

Even top Republicans know this is fake news rofl.

Apparently there is no rule against being wrong. Though it could be trolling.

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I'm sure if you just cherry pick footage of World War 2 soldiers sitting around and not actually battling you could make it look like a minor indiscretion. A tiny kerfuffle between nations.

That's about how stupid this take is.

Also I guess it's time for the daily reminder that per legal precedent, Carlson is entertainment only and not meant to be used as a legitimate source for news and other information.

And also also it was just revealed that he secretly hates Trump and has no problem lying right to your face about it.

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I don't understand this -- he gets the footage exactly when the FOX emails and texts come out and now nobody can believe him.

He does no favor to himself when to review the footage you need 4 years and they show us this days after they get the footage. Can they tell us the whole story? Do they have 1000 people reviewing the footage and then still get out a defining start to finish?

Already he assures us everything is peaceful but the police call him a liar.

And guess what? McCarthy tells Tucker he can have it because of a promise that he values more than his duty to the people of this country. He did this because he was forced to. Obv because he wants to be speaker more than he wants integrity he makes this promise to keep the brats happy.

Now he cannot tell the same truth he tells in the beginning when all the Congress was evacuated. That he was scared for his life. Now he is only scared to lose his position. His very weak position that requires many favors to keep even if he disagrees with his actions. Tucker Carlson and Kevin McCarthy compromised themselves each for the same reason and sell their own souls.

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@sargentd said:

Find out next time on dragon ball the governments a bunch of lying bastards.

Didn't we find out Tucker was lying about the 2020 election and hates Trump? Isn't he the biggest lying bastard?

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@Vaasman said:

I'm sure if you just cherry pick footage of World War 2 soldiers sitting around and not actually battling you could make it look like a minor indiscretion. A tiny kerfuffle between nations.

That's about how stupid this take is.

Also I guess it's time for the daily reminder that per legal precedent, Carlson is entertainment only and not meant to be used as a legitimate source for news and other information.

And also also it was just revealed that he secretly hates Trump and has no problem lying right to your face about it.

Pretty much agree with everything you said, especially the last two points. Makes sense though that SargentD is all in on accepting everything Tucker Carlson has to say.

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Well said Judge!

Great listen for anyone interested.

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More pathetic attempts to whitewash the unwashable. No matter how much Republicans are desperately trying to reframe Jan 6th, the stench from one of the most disgraceful days this nation has ever seen will remain on them forever. The stench of Trump's moral rot they fully embraced and sold out to will stick. They own it now.

I suppose when it's impossible to outright deny the disgraceful, the only other option available is to try to mitigate it as best they can. But the footage, regardless of cherry picking to fit a narrative pushed by a propoganda outlet proven to lie to its consumers for profit, is out there for all to see.

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@MirkoS77: all the footage should have been released from the get go.

Transparency is not a bad thing.

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@InEMplease said:
@sargentd said:
@InEMplease said:

Because Tucker is so well known for his honesty. Kevin is a gutless weasel. Giving special privilege to a fake journalist that's happy to twist facts and lie to your face is just disgusting.

Transparency

Lots of footage not shown to Americans that now will be.

Gooooood 👍

As if that undoes what actually took place? There's a lot more he won't show you, like it makes a difference. Like we didn't watch it happen on live television. But go ahead and support rewriting history because the truth makes your cult look like the fools they are.

lol transparency? then why not freely release it all and not through that fuckwit to selectively edit and editorialize?

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@sargentd said:

@MirkoS77: all the footage should have been released from the get go.

Transparency is not a bad thing.

If it was transparency then it would be available for anyone without edits which is what carlson is doing.

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@sargentd said:

@MirkoS77: all the footage should have been released from the get go.

Transparency is not a bad thing.

It was released to a proven liar. Transparency isn't filtering information through Tuckers head.

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#21  Edited By InEMplease
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@comp_atkins said:
@InEMplease said:
@sargentd said:
@InEMplease said:

Because Tucker is so well known for his honesty. Kevin is a gutless weasel. Giving special privilege to a fake journalist that's happy to twist facts and lie to your face is just disgusting.

Transparency

Lots of footage not shown to Americans that now will be.

Gooooood 👍

As if that undoes what actually took place? There's a lot more he won't show you, like it makes a difference. Like we didn't watch it happen on live television. But go ahead and support rewriting history because the truth makes your cult look like the fools they are.

lol transparency? then why not freely release it all and not through that fuckwit to selectively edit and editorialize?

I imagine because a lot of it is still under investigation to punish those involved. Which is why it is more alarming that said fuckwit can get his hands on any of it. This is such a breech of legality.

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For several minutes, the video shows, Robishaw and another officer follow Chansley as he tried to enter the Senate chamber. At one point, Robishaw tried a locked door with the Senate seal etched on its frosted glass.

At another point, Chansley and the officers pass a group of seven other cops, who seem to pay them no mind.

Chansley and the two officers eventually find an unlocked door and one of the policemen holds it open after Chansley lets himself onto the Senate floor. The DOJ timeline confirmed that Robishaw followed Chansley into the chamber as the “Shaman” took the seat on the dais recently occupied by Vice President Mike Pence.

“Thank you, Heavenly Father, for taking the inspiration needed to these police officers to allow us into this building,” Chansley intoned into his bullhorn during an impromptu “prayer” from the dais.

Free the Shaman!

If they don't free the Shaman they should probably arrest the cops who walked them through and opened the doors for them no???

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@sargentd: The Shaman pled guilty and admitted what he did was wrong. Deal with it.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@sargentd: The Shaman pled guilty and admitted what he did was wrong. Deal with it.

Free the shaman!!!

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@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@sargentd: The Shaman pled guilty and admitted what he did was wrong. Deal with it.

Free the shaman!!!

You're sick of the lies and the double standards?

That goes double for everyone that reads your posts.

**** the shaman.

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Free the Shaman!

Why do you hate law and order?

SargentD, you are pro criminal?

Do you also side with those charged with sedition? SargentD do you really hate USA this much!?

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Wow, you can already tell this will end poorly for Fox and the GOP.

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#28  Edited By InEMplease
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Wow, you can already tell this will end poorly for Fox and the GOP.

And that their own incompetence was the saving grace. Someone with a bigger brain than mine should document this as how not to run a "news" organization. How not to **** up an easy thing for dummies.

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https://www.nysun.com/article/new-video-footage-could-be-legal-magic-for-qanon-shaman

Ahhh I love this timeline.

Apparently Shaman's attorney did not have access to this footage before being sentenced 4 years.

Could overturn the ruling is prosecutors withheld the evidence!

Free the Shaman!

Chansley cut a deal, pleading guilty to one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, and was sentenced to 41 months in jail, one of the stiffer sentences handed down in connection with the riot. Chansley has since changed his lawyers, who now plan to argue that his guilty plea was preceded by ineffective assistance of counsel.

Mr. Silverglate predicts that if Chansley has not seen the tapes, an appeal to vacate the pleas is likely to include the claim that the government withheld evidence that could have exculpated Chansley, or at least been relevant — “material” is the legal standard — show him walking alongside police officers, not confronting them.

It is difficult to speculate what a jury might have done had it had a chance to see such a tape, or whether Chansley would have pleaded had his lawyers had access to the tapes. To Mr. Silverglate’s eyes, Chansley was “essentially being shown around” and was caught up in a “group prosecution.”

If the government possessed these tapes and did not share them with Chansley or similarly situated defendants, it risks running afoul of Brady. The Supreme Court found in 1963 that a prosecutor’s suppression of evidence in a murder case against John Brady — his co-defendant had confessed to the crime — amounted to a violation of the Constitution’s Due Process Clause.

The 7-to-2 opinion penned by Justice William Douglas held that the “suppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused upon request violates due process where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment, irrespective of the good faith or bad faith of the prosecution.”

Mr. Silverglate explains that it does not matter whether the prosecuting attorney who handled Chansley’s case was himself in possession of the footage. The very fact that the tapes were held by the government imposes a duty to bring “Brady evidence” to the court and the accused as soon as any member of the government became aware of its existence.

To prove a Brady violation, a defendant must convince the court of three things. First, the evidence in question must be exculpatory in some fashion. Second, it has to have been suppressed by the state. It does not matter whether that suppression was willful or inadvertent.

Finally, that suppression must, in the Supreme Court’s parlance, “affect the outcome of the trial” or “undermine confidence in the verdict.” Were a Brady violation found, it could lead to a new trial or dismissal of charges altogether. The burden of disclosure rests on the prosecutor to step forward, not the defendant to ask.

Mr. Silverglate contends that the video at issue in Chansley’s case is a particularly potent form of “primary evidence.” As he puts it, the “thing about film is that witnesses lie, but film doesn’t lie.” When asked if the suppression of this footage would warrant tossing Chansley’s conviction, he replied with one word: “Yes.”

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@sargentd: I can copy and paste a ton of crap too. You have no idea buddy.

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@InEMplease: read it my guy. Makes a lot of sense lol

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#32  Edited By InEMplease
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@sargentd: Are you very sure about that?

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#33  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@sargentd: Prosecutors did not have the evidence. The dude pled guilty. You are pro crime.

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#34 SargentD
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@InEMplease: yes

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@sargentd said

Free the shaman!!!

Some retrial I can understand and surely they are seeking them. But I do not understand after all the people who say they are guilty themselves, the judge and jury say they are guilty, the police say they are guilty, and then other people who only sit at home still want to call them innocent or a patriot.

Or maybe they are antifa, but then why do you your want to free them if they are antifa and liars?

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I’m not clear even on what this whole thing attempts to establish. That there wasn’t a violent push into the Capitol? There was. That the mob wasn’t trying to block Biden’s certification? They were. We have numerous videos of this.

So what if a snippet is shown that shows officers walking with Chansley down a hallway? Perhaps some of the officers were sympathetic to his/the mob’s goals? Perhaps (as the news outlets are claiming) they were attempting to talk him down as they knew had they exerted physical resistance in the presence of a mob in such tense circumstances, they’d be placing themselves in greater peril? Regardless, the dereliction of duty of the officers doesn’t negate the legal culpability of Chansley, nor anyone else, who fully well knew they were breaking the law.

Nothing of this narrative in micro context obfuscates the greater. It’s all on video. It just goes to show how unAmerican republicans have become under a traitor like Trump. They’re not going to revise history.

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@MirkoS77: Chief says they were trying to de-escalate.

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@sargentd said:

@InEMplease: yes

You really shouldn't be.

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Tucker Carlson is the neither left nor right that’s against us all. The man literally just had texts released where he admitted he hated the former guy and knew he was lying about the election.

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Also, the speakers own words on January 6th completely contradict the spin Carlson is putting on the selectively edited footage he’s showing to his low IQ audience.

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#41 MirkoS77
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@MirkoS77: Chief says they were trying to de-escalate.

Sensible. Not much else that can be done in the face of such overwhelming force overridden by emotion.

Still unclear on what this even accomplishes. There’s no fixing this, it’s not even possible to mitigate something this bad. In strictly legal terms I guess I could understand if this were introduced in court for Chansley’s defense to lessen the charges, but as it’s framed in attempting to lessen the severity of how Jan 6th is perceived, there’s nothing to achieve. It is what it is.

IMO, it would be in the best interest of Republicans to distance themselves from Jan 6th as quickly as humanly possible. These constant attempts at revisionism will serve them no favor.

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Great conversation

love Vinny's passion.

Interesting stuff

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@MirkoS77: The republicans can try to ignore it to their best interest, but that's just because it was a practice coup.

It would be in everyone else's interest to not ignore it, right?

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#44  Edited By SargentD
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@sargentd: Prosecutors did not have the evidence. The dude pled guilty. You are pro crime.

The 7-to-2 opinion penned by Justice William Douglas held that the “suppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused upon request violates due process where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment, irrespective of the good faith or bad faith of the prosecution.”

Mr. Silverglate explains that it does not matter whether the prosecuting attorney who handled Chansley’s case was himself in possession of the footage. The very fact that the tapes were held by the government imposes a duty to bring “Brady evidence” to the court and the accused as soon as any member of the government became aware of its existence.

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@InEMplease said:

@MirkoS77: The republicans can try to ignore it to their best interest, but that's just because it was a practice coup.

It would be in everyone else's interest to not ignore it, right?

Sure.

Don‘t mean to imply it should be ignored; I’m just failing to see what republicans are gaining by revisiting it in these revisionist attempts. It’s frankly insulting when we have all the footage that contradicts the narrative they’re trying so desperately to weave.

What‘s the point they’re trying to make?

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@sargentd: Prosecutors did not have the evidence. The dude pled guilty. You are pro crime.

The 7-to-2 opinion penned by Justice William Douglas held that the “suppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused upon request violates due process where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment, irrespective of the good faith or bad faith of the prosecution.”

Mr. Silverglate explains that it does not matter whether the prosecuting attorney who handled Chansley’s case was himself in possession of the footage. The very fact that the tapes were held by the government imposes a duty to bring “Brady evidence” to the court and the accused as soon as any member of the government became aware of its existence.

You do know every convicted felon had moments where they weren't violent.breaking laws?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:
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@sargentd: Prosecutors did not have the evidence. The dude pled guilty. You are pro crime.

The 7-to-2 opinion penned by Justice William Douglas held that the “suppression by the prosecution of evidence favorable to an accused upon request violates due process where the evidence is material either to guilt or to punishment, irrespective of the good faith or bad faith of the prosecution.”

Mr. Silverglate explains that it does not matter whether the prosecuting attorney who handled Chansley’s case was himself in possession of the footage. The very fact that the tapes were held by the government imposes a duty to bring “Brady evidence” to the court and the accused as soon as any member of the government became aware of its existence.

You do know every convicted felon had moments where they weren't violent.breaking laws?

show me the footage of him being violent

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show me the footage of him being violent

He was trespassing. He pled guilty, ie he didn't go to trial, and he said what he did was wrong. He accepts it. What's your problem?

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

show me the footage of him being violent

He was trespassing. He pled guilty, ie he didn't go to trial, and he said what he did was wrong. He accepts it. What's your problem?

He was walked around by police, they opened the door for him to enter, your right it didn't go to trial. Your put in a situation of risking them give you 25 years or saying guilty for 4 years. This footage makes a difference and the government had this footage. That's my problem.

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@sargentd said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@sargentd said:

show me the footage of him being violent

He was trespassing. He pled guilty, ie he didn't go to trial, and he said what he did was wrong. He accepts it. What's your problem?

He was walked around by police, they opened the door for him to enter, your right it didn't go to trial. Your put in a situation of risking them give you 25 years or saying guilty for 4 years. This footage makes a difference and the government had this footage. That's my problem.

They were trying to remove him. The footage doesn't make a difference. We all saw what led up to it and he was NOT invited in.