Kevin McCarthy gives Tucker Carlson access to all Jan 6 footage. Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell Big Mad!

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@Sushiglutton: The police were outnumbered that day and had no way of taking anyone to jail. I think you're confusing what the Capital Police do with what happens in your community by the way. But look at the people outside, that were enraged. The police were pretty much stuck inside. Stop making apologies for criminals.

Ok I will try again. Look at the two images. Did the police have the opportunity to arrest Chansley?

Okay. You didn't understand what I said. Just admit that.

You looked at the two images and your analysis was: "The police were outnumbered that day".

So yeah, I am trying to figure out how you perceive reality lol.

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@Sushiglutton said:
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Okay. You didn't understand what I said. Just admit that.

You looked at the two images and your analysis was: "The police were outnumbered that day".

So yeah, I am trying to figure out how you perceive reality lol.

I would hope you aren't looking at two pictures and believing you know what went on that day. There was no way cops would be able to leave their post to arrest someone, and no way they could leave the building to do so if they wanted.

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All I claimed was that the police had opportunities to arrest Chansley if they wanted to. If you don't see that I don't know what to say tbh.

Explain how Chansley could not have been arrested in either of these two situations.

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@Sushiglutton said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Ok I will try again. Look at the two images. Did the police have the opportunity to arrest Chansley?

Your talking to an ostrich man

His head in the sand

You've both been quite literally fact checked,

Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org

Claim: “The tapes show the Capitol Police never stopped Jacob Chansley. They helped him. They acted as his tour guides.”

Facts: This is false. Chansley, also known as the “QAnon Shaman,” who was sentenced to 41 months in prison for obstructing an official proceeding on Jan. 6, 2021, signed a plea agreement acknowledging that he entered the Capitol through a door broken by other rioters and that he ignored Capitol Police officers who asked him to exit the building multiple times.

But Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger disputed Carlson’s description of the events in a staff memo issued the day after Carlson’s show aired. Manger said officers tried to resolve the situation without violence.

“One false allegation is that our officers helped the rioters and acted as ‘tour guides.’ This is outrageous and false,” Manger wrote. “This Department stands by the officers in the video that was shown last night. I don’t have to remind you how outnumbered our officers were on January 6. Those officers did their best to use de-escalation tactics to try to talk rioters into getting each other to leave the building.”

One of the officers seen walking with Chansley, Capitol Police Officer Keith Robishaw, who has red hair and was wearing glasses and a light blue face mask, explained his thinking in the 2021 HBO documentary “Four Hours at the Capitol.”

In one of his first encounters with a group of rowdy protesters, including Chansley, who was armed with a spear affixed with an American flag, Robishaw said he knew he and his fellow officers had to try to get them to leave peacefully.

“We were standing on that line, and there was the six of us. Meeting violence with violence at this time would not be safe for me and my fellow officers,” Robishaw said about 36 minutes into the film. “The sheer number of them compared to us, I knew in my head there was no way that we could all get physical with them, so I took it upon myself to try and talk to them.”

“No attacking, no assault, remain calm,” Robishaw told the men.

There isn't much to debate. Tucker tricked you both and now you just won't accept it.

No matter how many times you post Tucker's selected videos, facts are facts. We know what happened as per court documents, videos not played by Tucker, and police statements. This is useless. The issue is over and settled as per reality.

This thread is a huge L.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Sushiglutton said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Okay. You didn't understand what I said. Just admit that.

You looked at the two images and your analysis was: "The police were outnumbered that day".

So yeah, I am trying to figure out how you perceive reality lol.

I would hope you aren't looking at two pictures and believing you know what went on that day. There was no way cops would be able to leave their post to arrest someone, and no way they could leave the building to do so if they wanted.

I don't know all that "went on that day". My claim is so simple I don't have to. It's obvious that the cops could have handcuffed Chansley in either of those two situations if they really wanted to. They didn't have to leave their posts, he was right next to them...

You just don't want to give an inch, which in a way I respect 🙂. But I think you read in way too much in what I was saying.

I suspect that it may be because you think I am a Trump supporter, which I'm not. I treat every question independently. Me thinking that Chansley should not get four years (from what I have seen) does not imply anything about my other views.

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#155 LJS9502_basic
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@Sushiglutton said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I would hope you aren't looking at two pictures and believing you know what went on that day. There was no way cops would be able to leave their post to arrest someone, and no way they could leave the building to do so if they wanted.

I don't know all that "went on that day". My claim is so simple I don't have to. It's obvious that the cops could have handcuffed Chansley in either of those two situations if they really wanted to. They didn't have to leave their posts, he was right next to them...

You just don't want to give an inch, which in a way I respect 🙂. But I think you read in way too much in what I was saying.

I suspect that it may be because you think I am a Trump supporter, which I'm not. I treat every question independently. Me thinking that Chansley should not get four years (from what I have seen) does not imply anything about my other views.

No, you do know all that went on that day. It explains what was and wasn't done.

I don't care if you're a trump supporter or not. Chansley PLED GUILTY.

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@zaryia said:
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@Sushiglutton: You have a pre ordained bias and you're taking cherry picked video to reinforce that. In short, you see what you want to see.

All I claimed was that the police had opportunities to arrest Chansley if they wanted to. If you don't see that I don't know what to say tbh.

Explain how Chansley could not have been arrested in either of these two situations.

@sargentd said:
@Sushiglutton said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

@Sushiglutton: The police were outnumbered that day and had no way of taking anyone to jail. I think you're confusing what the Capital Police do with what happens in your community by the way. But look at the people outside, that were enraged. The police were pretty much stuck inside. Stop making apologies for criminals.

Ok I will try again. Look at the two images. Did the police have the opportunity to arrest Chansley?

Your talking to an ostrich man

His head in the sand

You've both been quite literally fact checked,

Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org

Claim: “The tapes show the Capitol Police never stopped Jacob Chansley. They helped him. They acted as his tour guides.”

Facts: This is false. Chansley, also known as the “QAnon Shaman,” who was sentenced to 41 months in prison for obstructing an official proceeding on Jan. 6, 2021, signed a plea agreement acknowledging that he entered the Capitol through a door broken by other rioters and that he ignored Capitol Police officers who asked him to exit the building multiple times.

But Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger disputed Carlson’s description of the events in a staff memo issued the day after Carlson’s show aired. Manger said officers tried to resolve the situation without violence.

“One false allegation is that our officers helped the rioters and acted as ‘tour guides.’ This is outrageous and false,” Manger wrote. “This Department stands by the officers in the video that was shown last night. I don’t have to remind you how outnumbered our officers were on January 6. Those officers did their best to use de-escalation tactics to try to talk rioters into getting each other to leave the building.”

One of the officers seen walking with Chansley, Capitol Police Officer Keith Robishaw, who has red hair and was wearing glasses and a light blue face mask, explained his thinking in the 2021 HBO documentary “Four Hours at the Capitol.”

In one of his first encounters with a group of rowdy protesters, including Chansley, who was armed with a spear affixed with an American flag, Robishaw said he knew he and his fellow officers had to try to get them to leave peacefully.

“We were standing on that line, and there was the six of us. Meeting violence with violence at this time would not be safe for me and my fellow officers,” Robishaw said about 36 minutes into the film. “The sheer number of them compared to us, I knew in my head there was no way that we could all get physical with them, so I took it upon myself to try and talk to them.”

“No attacking, no assault, remain calm,” Robishaw told the men.

There isn't much to debate.

Reality is reality. No matter how many times you post Tucker's selected videos, facts are facts. We know what happened as per court documents, videos not played by Tucker, and police statements. This is useless. Just give up, reality wins.

This thread is a huge L.

Lol you are a bit silly now. Don't you have eyes and a brain of your own? The question was if the cops had the oportunity to arrest Chansley in either of those two situations. There is no need to copy-paste some long text.

If I ask you "how much is a sandwhich these days", will you quote some study from the WTO?

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@Sushiglutton said:

Don't you have eyes and a brain of your own

Do you?

Yes. I saw videos of all of the things these two fact checkers mention, who say you are wrong. Videos which show you are unequivocally wrong and that the Shaman's trial and verdict were 100% legitimate, containing zero falsehoods. I seem to have eyes and brains of my own that also saw videos Tucker didn't include.

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If I ask you "how much is a sandwhich these days", will you quote some study from the WTO?

Yes. In this hypothetical of yours my peer reviewed study will literally tell you the price of sandwiches.

Which you would oddly deny in subsequent posts because of a (objectively proven by two court cases) a Fake News host giving you sandwich prices from a different country from a decade ago.

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The question was if the cops had the oportunity to arrest Chansley in either of those two situations.

My fact check link literally tells you why.....straight from the Capitol Police....

@Sushiglutton said:

Claim: “The tapes show the Capitol Police never stopped Jacob Chansley. They helped him. They acted as his tour guides.”

Facts: This is false. Chansley, also known as the “QAnon Shaman,” who was sentenced to 41 months in prison for obstructing an official proceeding on Jan. 6, 2021, signed a plea agreement acknowledging that he entered the Capitol through a door broken by other rioters and that he ignored Capitol Police officers who asked him to exit the building multiple times.

“No attacking, no assault, remain calm,” Robishaw told the men.

“We were standing on that line, and there was the six of us. Meeting violence with violence at this time would not be safe for me and my fellow officers,” Robishaw said about 36 minutes into the film. “The sheer number of them compared to us, I knew in my head there was no way that we co

Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org

Refute it with citation.

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@Sushiglutton said:

There is no need to copy-paste some long text.

Ahh...pleading ignorance to facts that refute your PROVEN fictional assertions.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Sushiglutton said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I would hope you aren't looking at two pictures and believing you know what went on that day. There was no way cops would be able to leave their post to arrest someone, and no way they could leave the building to do so if they wanted.

I don't know all that "went on that day". My claim is so simple I don't have to. It's obvious that the cops could have handcuffed Chansley in either of those two situations if they really wanted to. They didn't have to leave their posts, he was right next to them...

You just don't want to give an inch, which in a way I respect 🙂. But I think you read in way too much in what I was saying.

I suspect that it may be because you think I am a Trump supporter, which I'm not. I treat every question independently. Me thinking that Chansley should not get four years (from what I have seen) does not imply anything about my other views.

No, you do know all that went on that day. It explains what was and wasn't done.

I don't care if you're a trump supporter or not. Chansley PLED GUILTY.

It's too late.

McCarthy and Tucker got to him. He's just a drone now who thinks fiction is reality.

This is what Republicans, Democrats, and I were worried about.

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The question I’d like answered by Sargent (and anyone who defends Carlson and his narrative) is why doesn’t he want the cops charged for dereliction of duty in failing to protect our Capitol, instead of the absolving of any and all blame of the ones who were allowed to defile it?

Doubt I’ll get an answer to that one, as that would be a bit too revealing as to why they actually want people like Chansley freed: because they agree with the underlying goal of Jan 6th and view it as a good thing.

Where did Tucker say the Capital police shouldn't be investigated for escorting protestors to the chamber?

You bring up a good point. Why do these police officers get off when they are on film literally escorting protestors to the chamber??

Is it possible they were told to do this by higher ups? Was this thier individual decision to bring individuals to the chamber and open doors for them?

I think we might need to have an investigation into this Mirko!

Let's put these officers on the stand and question them!!!!

You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But it makes me wonder.....if you are for investigating these police officers for escorting these individuals into the chamber, then on what basis are you pushing for the exoneration of Chansley? You can't have it both ways. Seems to me, if you believe the officers were derelict in their responsibilities to the point they should be investigated, that is a further indictment of Chansley's actions that were allowed to occur because of that dereliction.

So what is it exactly that you support, as you're sending conflicting messages.

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@MirkoS77 said:
@sargentd said:
@MirkoS77 said:

The question I’d like answered by Sargent (and anyone who defends Carlson and his narrative) is why doesn’t he want the cops charged for dereliction of duty in failing to protect our Capitol, instead of the absolving of any and all blame of the ones who were allowed to defile it?

Doubt I’ll get an answer to that one, as that would be a bit too revealing as to why they actually want people like Chansley freed: because they agree with the underlying goal of Jan 6th and view it as a good thing.

Where did Tucker say the Capital police shouldn't be investigated for escorting protestors to the chamber?

You bring up a good point. Why do these police officers get off when they are on film literally escorting protestors to the chamber??

Is it possible they were told to do this by higher ups? Was this thier individual decision to bring individuals to the chamber and open doors for them?

I think we might need to have an investigation into this Mirko!

Let's put these officers on the stand and question them!!!!

You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But it makes me wonder.....if you are for investigating these police officers for escorting these individuals into the chamber, then on what basis are you pushing for the exoneration of Chansley? You can't have it both ways. Seems to me, if you believe the officers were derelict in their responsibilities to the point they should be investigated, that is a further indictment of Chansley's actions that were allowed to occur because of that dereliction.

So what is it exactly that you support, as you're sending conflicting messages.

The escorting thing was already fact checked as false.

Those cops were basically just keeping tabs on them, and contentiously/calmly asking them to leave. They were insanely out numbered, so they couldn't do much else.

Video Doesn't Prove Capitol Police Allowed Jan. 6 Protesters to Enter Capitol - FactCheck.org

Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org

Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attack | AP News

PolitiFact | Evidence rebuts Tucker Carlson’s claim about Capitol Police acting as tour guides to ‘QAnon Shaman’

It saddens me that so many Americans are now even more confused about this event. Ugh the far right cult sickens me.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Sushiglutton said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I would hope you aren't looking at two pictures and believing you know what went on that day. There was no way cops would be able to leave their post to arrest someone, and no way they could leave the building to do so if they wanted.

I don't know all that "went on that day". My claim is so simple I don't have to. It's obvious that the cops could have handcuffed Chansley in either of those two situations if they really wanted to. They didn't have to leave their posts, he was right next to them...

You just don't want to give an inch, which in a way I respect 🙂. But I think you read in way too much in what I was saying.

I suspect that it may be because you think I am a Trump supporter, which I'm not. I treat every question independently. Me thinking that Chansley should not get four years (from what I have seen) does not imply anything about my other views.

No, you do know all that went on that day. It explains what was and wasn't done.

I don't care if you're a trump supporter or not. Chansley PLED GUILTY.

You never answered my question because you know I was right.

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@zaryia said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Sushiglutton said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

I would hope you aren't looking at two pictures and believing you know what went on that day. There was no way cops would be able to leave their post to arrest someone, and no way they could leave the building to do so if they wanted.

I don't know all that "went on that day". My claim is so simple I don't have to. It's obvious that the cops could have handcuffed Chansley in either of those two situations if they really wanted to. They didn't have to leave their posts, he was right next to them...

You just don't want to give an inch, which in a way I respect 🙂. But I think you read in way too much in what I was saying.

I suspect that it may be because you think I am a Trump supporter, which I'm not. I treat every question independently. Me thinking that Chansley should not get four years (from what I have seen) does not imply anything about my other views.

No, you do know all that went on that day. It explains what was and wasn't done.

I don't care if you're a trump supporter or not. Chansley PLED GUILTY.

It's too late.

McCarthy and Tucker got to him. He's just a drone now who thinks fiction is reality.

This is what Republicans, Democrats, and I were worried about.

Then it should be very easy to answer my simple question. In those two images I posted was there an opportunity for the cops to handcuff Chansley?

I do not want copy-pasted articles, tweets or any other nonsense. Just your own analysis in your own words.

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You never answered my question because you know I was right.

No I know you're wrong. Also not all cops knew every action each individual took. That is why investigations were done.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Sushiglutton said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

No, you do know all that went on that day. It explains what was and wasn't done.

I don't care if you're a trump supporter or not. Chansley PLED GUILTY.

You never answered my question because you know I was right.

No I know you're wrong.

So it was impossible for two police officers to handcuff a single unarmed man? Ok then....

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@zaryia said:
@MirkoS77 said:
@sargentd said:
@MirkoS77 said:

The question I’d like answered by Sargent (and anyone who defends Carlson and his narrative) is why doesn’t he want the cops charged for dereliction of duty in failing to protect our Capitol, instead of the absolving of any and all blame of the ones who were allowed to defile it?

Doubt I’ll get an answer to that one, as that would be a bit too revealing as to why they actually want people like Chansley freed: because they agree with the underlying goal of Jan 6th and view it as a good thing.

Where did Tucker say the Capital police shouldn't be investigated for escorting protestors to the chamber?

You bring up a good point. Why do these police officers get off when they are on film literally escorting protestors to the chamber??

Is it possible they were told to do this by higher ups? Was this thier individual decision to bring individuals to the chamber and open doors for them?

I think we might need to have an investigation into this Mirko!

Let's put these officers on the stand and question them!!!!

You'll get no disagreement from me there.

But it makes me wonder.....if you are for investigating these police officers for escorting these individuals into the chamber, then on what basis are you pushing for the exoneration of Chansley? You can't have it both ways. Seems to me, if you believe the officers were derelict in their responsibilities to the point they should be investigated, that is a further indictment of Chansley's actions that were allowed to occur because of that dereliction.

So what is it exactly that you support, as you're sending conflicting messages.

The escorting thing was already fact checked as false.

Those cops were basically just keeping tabs on them, and contentiously/calmly asking them to leave. They were insanely out numbered, so they couldn't do much else.

Video Doesn't Prove Capitol Police Allowed Jan. 6 Protesters to Enter Capitol - FactCheck.org

Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org

Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attack | AP News

PolitiFact | Evidence rebuts Tucker Carlson’s claim about Capitol Police acting as tour guides to ‘QAnon Shaman’

It saddens me that so many Americans are now even more confused about this event. Ugh the far right cult sickens me.

I understand that, and I agree.

I'm only challenging Sargent on the logic of what he already believes, because there's no changing that, no matter how many links or quotes you will throw at him. That's futile. But it would seem to me, if he thinks the officers should be investigated for their conduct, that is an implicit concession to guilt on their part, and if that is so, then that is a further indictment of Chansley's actions which occurred under their supervision.

Chansley cannot be innocent if the cops escorting him are in the wrong. Because Sarge seems to agree with that saying they should be investigated, what then is the basis for exoneration?

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@Sushiglutton said:

Then it should be very easy to answer my simple question.

I literally posted multiple fact checks directly telling you that you are wrong.

@Sushiglutton said:

I do not want copy-pasted articles, tweets or any other nonsense. Just your own analysis in your own words.

Reading can't be that hard.

I'll paraphrase it for you. The Capitol Police themselves said they were extremely out numbered and to not engage. The Police did not let him in, he entered himself with the first group that broke down the doors (and was with the initial group that broke down external barriers too, in plane view RIGHT NEAR police being pushed back).

The Police asked them to stop, instead he did not stop and instead used his bullhorn to tell the crowd to continue forward. He was among the first in the Senate chambers, and left a threatening note to Pence. His motive was clear and he broke many laws.

These are well established facts.

  • Video Doesn't Prove Capitol Police Allowed Jan. 6 Protesters to Enter Capitol - FactCheck.org
  • Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org
  • Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attack | AP News
  • PolitiFact | Evidence rebuts Tucker Carlson’s claim about Capitol Police acting as tour guides to ‘QAnon Shaman’

Honestly after reading more on this today, I'm surprised it was just 3.5 years.

This is as crazy as defending Ashley Babbit. Just admit you were tricked by Tucker. No one will judge you.

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So it was impossible for two police officers to handcuff a single unarmed man? Ok then....

*sigh* Read the entire post.

Also you have a preconceived idea of what went on and don't care about the overall picture. Can you show evidence he did not do what he was convicted of doing? I don't give a **** what he did before or after.

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@zaryia said:

The Police asked them to stop, instead he did not stop and instead used his bullhorn to tell the crowd to continue forward.

I never claimed the police didn't ask him to stop. I never claimed he didn't use his bullhorn.

@zaryia said:

I'll paraphrase it for you. The Capitol Police themselves said they were extremely out numbered and to not engage. The Police did not let him in, he entered himself with the first group that broke down the doors.

I never claimed the police was not outnumbered. I never claimed the police let him in. I never claimed he did not enter with the first group.

@zaryia said:

The Police asked them to stop, instead he did not stop and instead used his bullhorn to tell the crowd to continue forward. He was among the first in the Senate chambers, and left a threatening note to Pence. His motive was clear and he broke many laws.

I never claimed the police did not ask him to stop. I never claimed he was not among the first in the senate chamber. I never claimed he did not leave a theatening note to Mike Pence. I never claimed his motives were not clear. I never claimed he did not break multiplie laws.

I simply asked: In those two situation in the images was there an opportunity for the police to arrest/handcuff the man?

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#170 LJS9502_basic
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I guess you're not going to answer the question. Typical.

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#171  Edited By Zaryia
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@Sushiglutton said:

I simply asked: In those two situation in the images was there an opportunity for the police to arrest/handcuff the man?

The Police literally answered this question,

“No attacking, no assault, remain calm,” Robishaw told the men.

Later, when Chansley had made his way to the Senate floor, Robishaw saw him and followed him inside, by himself, and tried to get Chansley and others already in the chamber to leave.

“I walk in behind him, and that’s when I realized I was alone now. I was by myself,” Robishaw told the documentarians. “I was like, ‘I can’t do anything.’ You know? I can only do is, you know, shout orders, and if they listen, great, if they don’t, I can’t force them. I’m all by myself.”

In video filmed by a New Yorker reporter, Robishaw is shown saying to the men: “Any chance I could get you guys to leave the Senate wing?” At one point, a protester says, “You should be stopping us.” Robishaw responds that he is outnumbered.

According to court documents, Chansley and others did not exit the chamberuntil additional law enforcement officers arrived to back up Robishaw.

I gave this link a page ago....

He's not getting out early because of Tucker's little tricks.

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#172  Edited By Zaryia
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@Sushiglutton said:
@zaryia said:

The Police asked them to stop, instead he did not stop and instead used his bullhorn to tell the crowd to continue forward.

I never claimed the police didn't ask him to stop. I never claimed he didn't use his bullhorn.

@zaryia said:

I'll paraphrase it for you. The Capitol Police themselves said they were extremely out numbered and to not engage. The Police did not let him in, he entered himself with the first group that broke down the doors.

I never claimed the police was not outnumbered. I never claimed the police let him in. I never claimed he did not enter with the first group.

@zaryia said:

The Police asked them to stop, instead he did not stop and instead used his bullhorn to tell the crowd to continue forward. He was among the first in the Senate chambers, and left a threatening note to Pence. His motive was clear and he broke many laws.

I never claimed the police did not ask him to stop. I never claimed he was not among the first in the senate chamber. I never claimed he did not leave a theatening note to Mike Pence. I never claimed his motives were not clear. I never claimed he did not break multiplie laws.

So then why are you complaining about his 4 years?

There appears to be a disconnect here. You don't dismiss the reasons he got the 4 years but still think it's too much.

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NOT REAL NEWS: A look at what didn't happen this week - The Washington Post

Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attackCLAIM: Footage from the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol shows that Jacob Chansley, who participated in the riot sporting face paint, no shirt and a fur hat with horns, was “led through the Capitol by police the entire time he was in the building.”

THE FACTS: Court documents and video footage from the attack on the Capitol make clear that Chansley, who is widely known as the “QAnon Shaman” and is one of the most recognizable Jan. 6 rioters, entered the Capitol without permission, was repeatedly asked to leave the building and was not accompanied at all times. After Fox News host Tucker Carlson broadcast previously unseen Jan. 6 security footage on his Monday night primetime show, social media users began sharing segments from his program that misrepresented Chansley’s involvement in the riot. “BREAKING: Never before seen video of January 6 shows Jacob Chansley, the QAnon Shaman, being led through the Capitol by police the entire time that he was in the building,” reads a tweet that includes a clip from Carlson’s show. But the footage leaves out important context about Chansley’s time in the Capitol that day. A statement prepared by the Department of Justice, which was signed by Chansley and his attorney, provides a timeline of the rioter’s movement in the Capitol. For example, the statement explains that Chansley entered the Capitol through a broken door as part of a crowd that “was not lawfully authorized to enter or remain in the building” and that he was one of the first 30 rioters inside. It goes on to note that although officers asked Chansley and others multiple times to leave the Capitol, he did not comply and actively riled up his fellow rioters. The statement describes Chansley’s interactions with officers, but also points out that he “entered the Gallery of the Senate alone.” Chansley pleadedguilty in September 2021 to a felony charge of obstructing an official proceeding. He was sentenced in November 2021 to 41 months in prison. Asked about claims that protesters were led through the building, a Capitol Police spokesperson pointed The Associated Press to an HBO documentary about the riot, “Four Hours at the Capitol,” in which an officer describes his encounter with Chansley, including how he asked the rioter and others to leave the Senate wing. Footage from the interaction appears in the documentary. “Any chance I can get you guys to leave the Senate wing?” the officer says as Chansley sits in the presiding officer’s chair on the Senate Dais. A video of Chansley walking into the Capitol through the broken door is publicly available on the website of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. U.S. Capitol Police Chief J. Thomas Manger lambasted Carlson’s segment on the Jan. 6 footage in an internal memo Tuesday. “Last night an opinion program aired commentary that was filled with offensive and misleading conclusions about the January 6 attack,” Manger wrote. “One false allegation is that our officers helped the rioters and acted as ‘tour guides.’ This is outrageous and false.”

How many outlets have to debunk this thread, embarrassing.

SargentD hits a new low.

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#175  Edited By Zaryia
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@sargentd said:

Do you have a better source to confirm these claims? Why post a proven fake news TV Show? This is going by 2 court cases.

It's pretty astonishing in how much Tucker absolutely despises his own audience and his audience seems to be totally fine with it. This is some kind of truly weird psychological masochism going on.

No one thinks Tucker Carlson viewers are dumber than Tucker Carlson does.

Particularly a TV Show that was fact checked 5 times in this thread alone. You could not refute my fact checkers regarding this thread, meaning you know the thread is fiction based. Meaning you can not plead ignorance. You know you're peddling lies.

  • PolitiFact | 7 false claims from Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s segments on Jan. 6 footage
  • Video Doesn't Prove Capitol Police Allowed Jan. 6 Protesters to Enter Capitol - FactCheck.org
  • Explaining the Missing Context of Tucker Carlson's Jan. 6 Presentation - FactCheck.org
  • Posts misrepresent rioter’s actions in Jan. 6 Capitol attack | AP News
  • PolitiFact | Evidence rebuts Tucker Carlson’s claim about Capitol Police acting as tour guides to ‘QAnon Shaman’
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Carlson comes up short on Jan. 6 bombshells | The Hill

But Carlson excluded key details in his report, recasting the roles played by various people and diminishing the violence of a day that led to multiple deaths.

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Prosecutors say newly aired Chansley footage paints misleading portrait of his Jan. 6 conduct - POLITICO

“Prior to that time, Chansley had, amongst other acts, breached a police line at 2:09 p.m. with the mob, entered the Capitol less than one minute behind Pezzola during the initial breach of the building, and faced off with members of the U.S. Capitol Police for more than thirty minutes in front of the Senate Chamber doors while elected officials, including the Vice President of the United States, were fleeing from the chamber,” they continued.

In Sunday’s filing, however, the Justice Department contended that it had shipped all but 10 seconds of the footage to Chansley’s attorney by Sept. 24, 2021 — about three weeks after Chansley pleaded guilty but more than a month before his sentencing.

“Once tethered to facts and reality, defendant Pezzola’s arguments quickly unravel,” the Justice Department wrote.

You stood no chance Sarg.

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@zaryia said:

Prosecutors say newly aired Chansley footage paints misleading portrait of his Jan. 6 conduct - POLITICO

“Prior to that time, Chansley had, amongst other acts, breached a police line at 2:09 p.m. with the mob, entered the Capitol less than one minute behind Pezzola during the initial breach of the building, and faced off with members of the U.S. Capitol Police for more than thirty minutes in front of the Senate Chamber doors while elected officials, including the Vice President of the United States, were fleeing from the chamber,” they continued.

In Sunday’s filing, however, the Justice Department contended that it had shipped all but 10 seconds of the footage to Chansley’s attorney by Sept. 24, 2021 — about three weeks after Chansley pleaded guilty but more than a month before his sentencing.

“Once tethered to facts and reality, defendant Pezzola’s arguments quickly unravel,” the Justice Department wrote.

You stood no chance Sarg.

It's official. The shaman has been freed!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-released-from-prison

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@Sushiglutton said:
@zaryia said:

He was part of a mob that stopped the US Presidential Election proceeding. This is a big deal. You don't have to show violence to get prison time for something that insane.

There were tons of people there. Some clearly were violent and should get prison for sure. But from what I understand the Shaman got one of the toughest sentences. I checked this article:

Jan. 6 Capitol Rioters Arrests and Sentences So Far | Time

The ones who got longer time all did violent acts against the police, or were armed.

I think that indicates that the Shaman did not get his sentence based on what he did, but because of the symbol the media made him. That is wrong.

@zaryia said:

There was too many of them. All they could really do was ask them to leave, in which he declined and rallied others on in instances.

That's not the impression I get from the footage. Like when two cops were calmly walking with him. They had plenty of time to take care of him if they felt they needed to.

Sushiglutton! Tucker did it! He freed the Shaman!! Lmao

https://www.dailywire.com/news/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-released-from-prison

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#180  Edited By Zaryia
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@sargentd said:
@Sushiglutton said:

Sushiglutton! Tucker did it! He freed the Shaman!! Lmao

https://www.dailywire.com/news/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-released-from-prison

No he didn't. He plead guilty. This was an early release to a half-way house for good behavior and had absolutely nothing to do with Tucker's fake news.

@sargentd said:

It's official. The shaman has been freed!

https://www.dailywire.com/news/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-released-from-prison

You don't understand how anything works.

'QAnon Shaman' Jacob Chansley, a Capitol rioter, gets early release from prison : NPR

Chansley, 35, was convicted of obstruction of an official proceeding in Nov. 2021 and sentenced to 41 months in prison. But prison records show that Chansley has been moved to a residential reentry management facility in Phoenix, where he is originally from, and is expected to be released on May 25.

Chansley received an early release, in part, because of his good behavior while in prison, says Albert Watkins, who represented Chansley through his plea and sentencing.

Why do all of your posts have to be either lies or severely misleading.

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#181 Skarwolf
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I love how Tucker lives rent free in so many of your peanut brains. Doesn’t take much to agitate the lunatic woke brigade.